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LittleMe Jewell
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12-27-2009 10:13
It's not the final findings of the survey that are important; the important thing is for students to go through the process of doing research, experiencing the problems and complexities, and understanding the limitations of what methods they are using.  _____________________
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Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
Join date: 11 Oct 2008
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12-27-2009 10:15
No, but IF they are doing proper research, the survey will be only one of many aspects to their research. Surveys are a valid method for a portion of research on a topic, and even if they know the survey is only getting to a certain type of resident/player, as long as they know that, they can view the results appropriately. The biggest issues for me are putting up a survey and request that actually indicates time and thought went in to it, and showing respect for the community in which they are trying to study. This. Most of the people posting surveys here are not doing it as part of some research project that will produce a meaningful paper in a scholarly journal. Most are students who are doing a research project for the class. It's not the final findings of the survey that are important; the important thing is for students to go through the process of doing research, experiencing the problems and complexities, and understanding the limitations of what methods they are using. It's practice and education so that one day some of them can work on those big research projects that result in widely-cited and debated papers in scholarly journals. And this. _____________________
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Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
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12-27-2009 10:16
*laughs* But see, these threads turn out just like the rest of the forum posts.  *sigh* _____________________
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LittleMe Jewell
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12-27-2009 10:17
*sigh* _____________________
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Mickey Vandeverre
See you Inworld
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12-27-2009 10:28
Less than a tenth of a percent probably and unfortunately. However, in reading Anthony's opening post on his request, reading the first page of his survey and on reading his comments on other researchers' works, I would be willing to bet quite a bit of real money that his research on this topic encompasses much more than this survey. Yes, unfortunately. There is so much that could be studied here. Just about every angle you could think of, with a lot of barriers out of the way. Not saying, that it should be used as a maze for lab rats. but like someone else said, that's done every day in RL anyway....So much opportunity to see a benefit, as an end result. Just waiting for the day when I spot a researcher who grasps that. Haven't seen it yet. Although....they may be doing it right now, in a more effective way....so we won't spot them. Surely someone is. |
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Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
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12-27-2009 11:52
Yes, but she is right. Well, we can but try . . .  _____________________
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
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12-27-2009 12:10
Well, we can but try . . . Can we bring up panties and pie in this thread yet? _____________________
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LittleMe Jewell
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12-27-2009 12:11
Can we bring up panties and pie in this thread yet? _____________________
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Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
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12-27-2009 12:11
Can we bring up panties and pie in this thread yet? I think you just did . . .  _____________________
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Kidd Krasner
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12-27-2009 13:04
I once suggested just having a separate forum for surveys. People who wanted to participate would go there. I forget the specific reasons, but most respondents to my idea hated it. Now, the idea is moot since these forums are in the final stages of abandonment. I don't know what reasons may have been given in the past. However, setting aside a separate forum would result in a sampling that's even less representative than asking here. So for those who care or complain about the survey getting a proper sampling, a separate forum would not be an acceptable alternative. |
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Treasure Ballinger
Virtual Ability
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12-27-2009 13:38
What makes you think that "The SL Community" actually needs to be "supported by through research"? I was going to ask, not why he thinks we need support, but, what that means exactly. How do these surveys support us? _____________________
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LittleMe Jewell
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12-27-2009 13:48
I was going to ask, not why he thinks we need support, but, what that means exactly. How do these surveys support us? I've actually been reading a lot of Nick Yee's stuff lately (www.nickyee.com). He started out surveying MMO players almost 11 years ago and has found some interesting trends and commonalities, in addition to modifying his views a few times over the years. I've always advocated study, especially of anything that is not well known or even feared by much of society in order to help eliminate the misunderstandings. In many ways, it is no different that advocating study and publishing of information about various disabilities in an effort to educate the average idiot. _____________________
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Elric Anatine
Full Lunar Alchemist
Join date: 27 Feb 2007
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Panties & Pie...
12-27-2009 15:33
Responses in survey threads remind me of that Blackadder Witchsmeller episode where upon asking if anyone knew what happened to the deceased Mistress Scott, the response was, "No, I don't!", with a raise of the peasant's arm.
People enjoy voicing their malcontent and proclaiming publicly that they will not contribute when really, in the end, most of these comments do not in any way assist the situation or work towards a positive outcome. Mind, those who objectively cite the problems with a survey are ultimately helpful (but only if the surveyor heeds the objective criticism). I do believe that awareness may sway the straddlers into reconsidering their formerly hostile position, but beyond that, every survey poster will endure a backlash of "the usual". _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
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Join date: 21 Dec 2006
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12-27-2009 15:54
an incivility and hostility that reflects very poorly on this forum. Sorry, which forums are you referring to now? Pep (has seen more "incivility and hostility" in these forums in the last few months, from over-emotional "females", than in the others he frequents, which are much less interesting.) _____________________
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BreninLlwyd Caeran
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Join date: 26 Oct 2009
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12-27-2009 18:55
What this does not address is that the mere act of conducting a survey here is inherently flawed and therefore inherently poorly thought out. The demographic of the Resident Answer forum readers/posters is not representative of a meaningful cross section of the Second Life Resident population, so any survey results are going to lack reliability to form conclusions for which the survey is being conducted (except in the unlikely event that they are looking to study the Resident Answers community which has never been the purpose of any survey to date). Surveys do not belong here and well said. Best response: Ignore them. (looks up at the sky innocently) |