Crowdsourcing retention: who's signing up?

I don't know if that is what they mean...although it could be if Daniel were still around. I was wondering if it means YOUR report would have to be TOS compliant as far as language and content are concerned. Which would ask the question...How could you review anything on Zindra?

Oh wait..they don't WANT people to know what goes on in Zindra...never mind.

Once you've done a couple, the basic template will exist but it's the little background checks, ensuring it's TOS compliant etc. that may be a wee bit more time consuming.

What?? In that case then it is bullshit...they are pointing to what they want showcased....once again, wanting residents to do their grunt work.

No, it's more work. It takes time to explore and evaluate a new location. I can document a place I know a LOT faster.

Ooh... So the job is actually grid-narc. =^-^=

I'm a poor college student, I'll take that 19k a year. Beats serving coffee.

SL (and LL!) will be very lucky if you take this position, Mari!

If I were in charge of hiring for this job, I would be hoping to find a couple of part-time permanent hires to write about SL. Then again, if I were looking for that, I would simply take a few days to surf SL blogs and ezines, and invite the writers I liked to apply for REAL jobs.

*HINT HINT to SL; why spend time administering this rather complex little project when a couple of folks from Prim Perfect or something could just take care of it?

All of this. Including Mari being perfect for the job.

To me, this just seems like more useless shiny to detract from real issues. I wonder what sort of bomb The Providers are planning to drop on us next?

Maybe. I went ahead and applied. If they take me, I'll be sure to let you know when I'm coming so you can hide the poseballs.

Hmmm. Gosh. I see an additional potential for income here...

"Hi, Immy. I've got your place on my list"
"Oh noes! When are you going to visit?"
"Oh, I dunno, whenever I can squeeze you in, I guess..."
*Ka-CHING! Imnotgoing Sideways has paid you $L1,000*
"See you on Thursday next, noon SL time."

Hey, I didn't work for Trout Recreant for two years without learning to know a good scam when I see it.

This is why I mentioned the new Blogger's Disclosure Rules the FTC wants to enact.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/business/media/06adco.html

Keeripes, Major! You mean I have to report any bri...er, gifts I receive from friends whose sites I am randomly assigned by Our Providers to review?

I'd argue that the FTC doesn't have jurisdiction. And that their rules are a violation of my Constituational right of free speech. And that it didn't happen and if it DID the transaction's over 30 days old and there's no record of it.

That does it. I'm going back to school to get a law degree. Guaranteed Future Income.....with no end in sight, on any aspect or level you can imagine.....even if you never get off the Internet.

Well said... and what the heck is a TOS compliance report, anyway? Heck, the way things have been lately it will take about 12 minutes for anything to rez. then you realize you are surrounded by bots and must go look for some other cool and happening place that has ANY real people in it at all.
Yawn.

Showcase has been sanitized of any and all fashion locations, just within the last couple days... LL seems to have gone from endorsing and advertising Fashion Week to making fashion a taboo subject in just a couple weeks. Clubs and music venues still appear in Showcase, but all the fashion locations are gone. Anyone privy to why? The list was rather aged I think, but it was still a fun way to waste some time...

Yeah, I don't see this withstanding a fairly competent legal challenge. Still, it just shows how those bastards want their hands on EVERYTHING we do.

No idea why but I welcome this move from our evil overlords, fashion should never have been in there in the first place.

Maybe they're going to do it all via microsites like the fashion lookbook.

While i applause to encourage anything to explore in SL to see the many fascinating variation SL has to offer from our almost 3 year experience as inworld Travel Agency "Scout-It" there are many different types of explorers

- the NEW SL user who are still struggling with the basic of SL and having a hard time with the graphic demand on their pc at some places
- the experienced explorer who are already long time in SL and enjoy part of their SL time to see new places for inspiration, enjoyment or workspace.
who already do have their "trusted" sources to find their places and events which meets their interest.
.....
so i am not sure an outsourced Destination Guide will be able to cover it, beside there are already established bloggers with theme specific posts who are doing a great job
so is it a nice try of Linden to "involve" community or just "outsourced" lower payment cost to do it??

For me at my early SL day the SL mentors to contact had been the most helpful in the time when i needed it - no tickets- no reading or no searching

solong till the dust settles and the destination guide links are history, meanwhile you can Find Your Way with

SCOUT-IT
- we are ,by now almost 3 years , an inworld operating Travel Agency
- offering "themed" personal guided tours with an avatare to show you around and answers your questions , either individual tours or group tours to see what your are interested in and get more background infos

- we have our weekly Travel News for Self -Touring at any time of your time-zone with hand selected places all over the grid (always a mix for recommended places for Newbies and Oldbies with different interests)
- we work inworld send notes inworld we talk inworld with the travellers and the various sim owners as we believe if you log in to SL you want to interact inworld.

It is a good idea in theory, but expecting someone to evaluate, photograph, and write up five site per hour is unrealistic. At that rate they will get hackwork and a lot of cutting and pasting from the Search description. To do a good job, you probably would need to spend nearly an hour on each area.

Of course, if what they want is hackwork, I now have lots more free time...

Okay--I should read the replies before I post. After looking them over, I guess it would be possible to do a halfway decent ten minute review. I guess it depends on what the standards are. They seem to be looking something closer to "search engine entry" than "travel guide page" chapter.

If I were to do the reviews, I would just post a little blurb in an appropriate place:

"Would you like your place to be included in SL's Destination Guide?
Send me your pics, your reviews, and $5,000L to ... "

Easy money... lol

This is a job for Phileas Fogg who traveled around the World in Eighty Days or it is a job for a perfect experienced japanese turbo-speed-tourist who is able to make Australia, Europe, South-America and the USA in 5 days, faster than his shadow, equiped with a cam which shoots 1000 pics/sec.

I've done this kind of grid traveling extensively as part of my green dots project. The bot scans were hit-and-run, but for the rest of the entries I tried to evaluate the places a bit.

It took longer than 12 minutes, even if it was obvious the place was pointless. If there seemed to be human activity, it took *a lot* longer than 12 minutes to get a feel for the place. And I had the advantage of visiting only places that were populated. If you just show up to a place you're told to go, chances are there will be nobody there and you'll have to evaluate it empty. Or you'll have to come back, or keep checking the map. Repeatedly.

Then there's the small matter of coming up with 200 words in twelve minutes. 200 different words for each. After about five reviews you're going to find it difficult to say something different about each one.

If by signing up for 1-hour work assignments LL means they want you to visit at a particular time, then you'll really have to get the review done in 12 minutes. If you were thinking you'd work for $9 for two hours work, you might not be able to do that.

If they're going to let you write reviews on empty buildings, you might be able to do that in 12 minutes, but that's going to be fairly useless. Of course I suspect LL's list of places is a list of things to *look at* rather than *do*, so maybe I'm expecting too much out of this.

I promise you, 12-minute reviews of social places will be useless.

I would bet that LL is counting on the candidates they pick spending considerably more than 12 minutes on each report, regardless of what they actually PAY.

That would violate minimum wage laws. While in-world jobs pay considerably less, they also fail to meet the test of "being a real job". These tasks would (they tell you where to go, and what to do, that makes them an employer)

Independant contractors get paid to do a job, but can decide the place and manner of completing the job.

By setting an impossible schedule, they are setting themselves up for a piecework suit (part of the history of why we have minimum wage laws in the first place)

True. hmmmm ...

In reality, I think it is most likely that the people running this program are very well-intentioned, but simply incompetent at estimating the time it will take to do something decent. It could also be that that's the number they used in selling the program to their management, and once they hire people they will be quite content to pay a person for a full hour who turns in two good reviews.