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Har Fairweather
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Join date: 24 Jan 2007
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03-08-2008 15:00
From: Jackson Rickenbacker Har, you feel that estate land is rental and mainland is ownership, thats apoint that can and has been argued many many times, but ultimately the conclusion is they are both the same, only estate land is done thru a 3rd party and not thru LL, please say that 50 times to yourselff I'm not trolling, and I'm really sorry if I have conveyed that impression. Estate or mainland, it is renting, and what is bought and sold is not the land but the right to the leasehold, whatever its terms. I understand LL wanted estate "owners" to be in the land business as nearly in equivalence with LL mainland as possible. I support that. I think it's great. Problem is, adding a third party (the estate owner) between LL and the ultimate consumer introduces inevitable complications. One complication is scammers and criminals seeking to take advantage. It seems clear we need to find ways to deal with the small criminal element, for the good of all three legitimate participants: LL, honest estate owners, and the end customers. The best two things the end customer can do are exercise Caveat Emptor in spades, and help hold LL's feet to the fire in re: petty criminals. Best thing estate owners can do, I think, is help hold LL's feet to the fire in re: petty criminals, because they are bad for business. Best thing LL can do is get its act together on this, for Chrissakes. |
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Har Fairweather
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Join date: 24 Jan 2007
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03-08-2008 15:05
From: Eric Stuart ALRIGHT, LAST DAMN TIME I'M SAYING THIS!
I do not think this is a good idea at all. What I based this off of is LL's track record of how they deal with things. Sadly, this is my PREDICTION, not my DESIRE.
Good god...I wonder how many people actually read the entire thing and saw that I very blatantly stated that.
AGAIN, FOR THOSE THAT KEEP THINKING THIS IS MY SUGGESTION TO LL, IT ISN'T. You want to see my suggestion, look at my post explaining the escrow renting system through SL. I for one get it, Eric, and thanks for making your position clear. You are right. I think your escrow suggestion is a good step in the right direction. Can't say whether it is the answer, just don't know, but it is someone seriously looking for answers, and THAT is the good step. Thanks for raising this issue, and helping direct it in a positive direction. |
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Eric Stuart
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Join date: 5 Jul 2006
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03-08-2008 15:07
From: Jackson Rickenbacker Har, you feel that estate land is rental and mainland is ownership, thats apoint that can and has been argued many many times, but ultimately the conclusion is they are both the same, only estate land is done thru a 3rd party and not thru LL, please say that 50 times to yourselff Yeah, except for a few simple facts...like, besides one case I know, Linden Labs wont attempt to make you pay for land just to steal it out from under you. Like how Linden Labs is a licensed business, not a person with a few thousand to spare and a computer? Like how 3rd parties do NOT own said sim, making them merely a middle man with more powers and privelages? We're giving too much of an opening for people to be cheated. Say that 50 times to yourself. If you need proof...again, go see copybot, glIntercept, and all those other things. Too much of an opening for scamming, and it IS being exploited. |
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Caroline Ra
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Join date: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 400
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03-08-2008 15:17
From: Yali Lisle If they were honest, they would present their side. But in our case we have been residents of a few estates and many of the owners have posted here and in slex defending our position. The have all been muted because there was no excuse for what happened.She took the land and the tier muted us and banned us. If they are honest they would try to work it out. But we are not concerned so much about ourselves now as the bad name its creating for other estate owners and the exposure it poses to our fellow residents. Who is the 'we' youre talking about?
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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Join date: 8 Oct 2006
Posts: 601
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03-08-2008 15:44
From: Eric Stuart Yeah, except for a few simple facts...like, besides one case I know, Linden Labs wont attempt to make you pay for land just to steal it out from under you. Like how Linden Labs is a licensed business, not a person with a few thousand to spare and a computer? Like how 3rd parties do NOT own said sim, making them merely a middle man with more powers and privelages?
We're giving too much of an opening for people to be cheated. Say that 50 times to yourself. If you need proof...again, go see copybot, glIntercept, and all those other things. Too much of an opening for scamming, and it IS being exploited. No Facts there, LL can reclaim your land for any reason they want to, have have done so to many people in the past, case in poit google Mark Bragg, or look up any of the other people that have had thier account suspended for one reason or another and lost thier land because of it. Linden Lab no (S), when being compared to many estate owners falls short on CS, abuse reports seemingly go unanswered, you cant talk to a Linden anytime, they even hide thier online status, whereas a good sim owner you can get ahold of, or thier assigned management, your complaints dont fall on deaf ears, and if you have a problem, they geniunely try to fix it. When is the last time you heard LL say they where sorry something happened to you, and you actually felt they ment it? Point being theres a few bad people out there, but there is information about those people for those that do some research. Most Estate owners can be trusted, to AND beyond the point LL can be |