Cryo...... (viewer)

I read a short comment in a thread recently, about the cryo(something) viewer - I think it was Briana who posted the comment, which sounded negative about the viewer. Would someone explain if there's anything wrong with the viewr please? I'm particularly interested in "cryo::ping".

Wrong? Yep, it is detectable and LL has started banning accounts using it.

Cyro viewer has been associated the same as having a lockpick set. You might not be a crook, but crooks use it. The viewer have not been updated in sometime and there are alot of new viewers out with the lockpick functions. If someone is using the viewer it will respond to the ping and parcel/sims owners know that you are using it. They have automated systems to eject and ban you if you are using that viewer.

Ty for the replies. I'm talking to someone inworld with whom that "cryo::ping" message is associated. She's using the emerald viewer. Does that one have a behind-the-scenes system of doing something to the cryo viewer?

yea Cryolife lets ya do bad stuff,

read this review

http://foo.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2009/08/the-cryolife-papers.html

explains the controversy

It doesn't really do anything to CryoLife, but it displays that automated message from anyone in the area who is using it.

the person who made the crylife viewer is now working on the emerald time to detect the crylife viewer and prefent some if it's copy functions.

apperently crylife was never ment to be released but these things have a way of getting out of controll

I've read that article, Cito - thank you.

What puzzles me is that the place I see that message - a lot - is in my OpenMV client, which runs the store model bots. I removed all the models some time ago because I lost interest in SL, but I put some back a couple of days ago. I've only ever seen the phrase in the OpenMV console window, and only since I put the models back 2 days ago.

Each line in the console is a message to the effect that the person has stopped typing an IM to the model (bot). The people never start typing IMs - they only stop typing them. I guess it's Emerald users, and it's what Emerald does in the background. Why it should come through to the models as 'stopped typing an IM', I don't know.

ETA:
I guess I, as a non-Emerald user, have a way of knowing who nearby is using Emerald

You can run Emerald so it cannot be detected.

Yes, I read that in the article. If everyone did it, I wouldn't get those lines lol

That is how the CryoLife detection works, the commands are encoded in typing_stop messages. It's just an implementation side effect that this message type has a text field at all. Clients aren't really meant to display it, but some LibSL bots have a bug that shows it anyway.

Thank you, Viktoria. That makes it clear now. But one thing is odd...

I've been standing in the store out of curiosity - watching to see if anyone is using Emerald and sending the message. While I've been here, 2 people have sent a bunch of those messages each (there are 4 models, so they ping them multiple times). The odd thing is that neither of those 2 people have been in the store. The girl I was talking with earlier about it was in the store with me for a while and the messages from her Emerald came through while she was there. But the 2 people since then haven't been in the store.

It's more odd because I have 3 castle guards on the ground (bots) that are also in an OpenMV console - a seperate one to the store models - and yet they haven't received those lines. If people were just going through the sim, I'd expect those to get them too.

The reason for the pings is clear now, but I don't get why one set gets them and the other set doesn't get them. Range is the obvious thing - the store is in the sky and those 2 people haven't been in the store. Oh well

Emerald could ping up to 3 sims (maybe further) away. Basically if the sim is in mini-map range their avatar key is sent to the client.
The two that are not displaying the message most likely are being sent the message, they just have a version of the lib that ignores it.

HELLO AVATAR!

Most of the client identification stuff in Emerald is about who/what is within draw distance. That's what it means when it shows "out of range" for an avatar in the radar display.

This free gadget by LordGregGreg does stuff to CryoLife, though.. https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1738925

Hi Destiny. That's interesting and is probably why some people's Emerald is sending the ping even though they aren't in normal range. But I must have not explained myself properly because you misunderstood what I meant. The "two" were people sending message but who weren't in the store. The ones that don't ever receive the messages - that I've seen - are bots (3 castle guards). They use the same version of libSL that the store models use (I created them all myself).

It doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's just odd that some bots receive the messages and some don't. Those that receive them, from people in the store and from people who are nowhere to be seen, are in the sky (store) and those that don't receive them - ever - are on the ground, and most likely closer to the sender than those in the sky. It's odd.

the build in radar that the ping is part off uses the minimap so hight plays no part in it, not sure about minimap scale but I do sometimes see that people outside of draw range get the message out of range behind the avatar where normaly a ? or viewer name is displayed.
sometimes this happens for people in draw range as wel but that is rare and usualy fixes itself in minutes

... whick makes it odd that the ones on the ground don't see that message, even though they use an identical programme. I think I'll get Emerald and have a look

Oops. The 3 on the ground do get those lines. I hadn't seen them before due to all the other lines in that console - the guards move around which generates plenty of stuff in that console. I'd scrolled up the text a number of times but didn't spot the ping lines mixed in with the other stuff. Anyway...

I got Emerald and it's pretty ccol but would someone please tell me what the Lua Console is for? It is conspicuous by its absense in the User's Guide page in the GreenLife site.

It plays no part of the radar but it does come into play with client detection. The avatar has to be found with a findObject before resolveClient (including the cryo:: stuff) kicks in. The "out of range" message is what you get when the findObject fails.

Right now it is a tease, proof of concept that the embedded runtime works, but the released version doesn't hook into any SL features yet.

I asked one of the Emerald developers this same question, and was told that it's for running stuff using the programming language Lua http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_(programming_language). I then, of course, asked what I'd use it for in SL, and how, and he basically said, if you need to ask, you don't need to know, thus leaving me a little better informed but none the wiser.

It looked like it might be something along those lines. When I typed 'hello world' into it, it gave the error message that it expected an = sign near 'world' - a typical programming language error message.

I like the features with Emerald but I do get significantly fewer FPS with it than I do with the standard viewer, even though I've installed the booster bits. (Tested on the same computer). It's quick enough though.

The Client detection seems a bit odd. The "Out Of Range" ones are understandable, but I have my alt in on Emerald, and me in on the standard viewer. I'm 5.5m from my alt and yet the alt's Avatar List shows my Client as "?" - unrecognised. Perhaps it only tries to recogbise certin viewers, like CryoLife and Emerald (I've seen an Emerald ).

I'd like the Avatar List to have an option of only showing avs in the same sim. I think tnhat would be useful to many people - sim owners and business people, anyway.

Except fpr CryoLife, the detection relies on the "clothing layer protection" feature. The client ID comes from the UUID for the faked-up layer textures, it's a cooperative thing between the different viewer writers. The standard viewer and most bots don't have that feature, so you get the "?". (You also get the "?" if that feature is turned off in one of the viewers that supports it.)