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Alicia Sautereau
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04-05-2008 11:38
oh btw, if it was an isp issue, ping times would be anything but this:

PING sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=126 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=125 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=3 ttl=54 time=126 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=4 ttl=54 time=135 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=5 ttl=54 time=126 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=6 ttl=54 time=126 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=7 ttl=54 time=125 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=8 ttl=54 time=126 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=9 ttl=54 time=125 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=10 ttl=54 time=126 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=11 ttl=54 time=126 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=12 ttl=54 time=126 ms
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=13 ttl=54 time=125 ms

--- sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com ping statistics ---
13 packets transmitted, 13 received, 0% packet loss, time 12002ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 125.516/126.856/135.096/2.437 ms

this is my home region

LL, Linden Labs™
LR, Linden Research™
LR, Linden Rats™
LR, Lab Rats™

we`re screwed, hope there will be a window for a hostile take over after they do their IPO ffs
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Kidd Krasner
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04-05-2008 12:04
From: Winter Ventura
The fact that the Beta works is actually the most confusing thing about this. If it were an ISP level issue, wouldn't the Beta Grid be affected as well?

Not necessarily.

If the problem were that the net connections were totally out, then yes, the Beta Grid would be affected.

But if the problem is that bandwidth has shrunk to a crawl, it's quite conceivable that there's enough bandwidth to support the beta grid but not the main grid.
Brad Sinister
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04-05-2008 12:04
Thanks for the welcome Nika

@ Sharie .. Ok with this Service i guess they use "Freenet" (a Provider in Germany) as Provider for 9.80 per month *lmao ...Jk ;-)

I wouldnt wonder if we get a a pretty running SL next morning but with the need to download a new client.

btw i hate that windlightlook I want back the old SL feel
Elinah Iredell
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04-05-2008 12:05
Back to the transaction issue theory? About windlight I tried it in the past havent tried it in a while. In the past everything was beautiful but I couldnt move well at all.

Elinah
Kidd Krasner
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04-05-2008 12:11
From: Alicia Sautereau
oh btw, if it was an isp issue, ping times would be anything but this:

PING sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com (8.2.32.174): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=126 ms
....
--- sim5173.agni.lindenlab.com ping statistics ---
13 packets transmitted, 13 received, 0% packet loss, time 12002ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 125.516/126.856/135.096/2.437 ms


Sorry, but testing your ping time to a single SL sim machine is in no way a measure of how well the entire grid is working. It says nothing about the connectivity of that machine to the asset servers - which may or may not be in the same datacenter. Nor does it say anything about the connectivity of other users who may be going through a different route to get there.


Finally, you've sent about a kilobyte of data. That says nothing about total bandwidth.
Lucinda Bergbahn
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Oh no not rats!!
04-05-2008 12:19
Maybe it is rats and all the Lindens are in world secretly hunting our pet rats right now as we speak. I wonder if my hippo tell board works when log ins are suspended. Must get word to Trudy to HIDE!!!!
Elinah Iredell
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04-05-2008 12:19
Well just want to report having some problems on beta. Things are not rezzing well and sometimes not at all.

Elinah
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04-05-2008 12:27
So far today I've been grocery shopping and cleaned the living room. All you people out there with nothing to do are summoned to my house to help with yard work. :p
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Kidd Krasner
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04-05-2008 12:32
From: Sharie Criss
What kind of cut-rate ISP do they use? Ive never heard of an ISP with so many problems. They are constantly having problems with this ISP, and whatever bozo outfit they use for their SF to Dallas VPN. Surly, if this was a major carrier, this massive outage would be affecting hundreds of thousands of web sites and been headline news on tech sites. But it's not. Nothing on Google news, nothing on CNet, nothing on zdnet, informationweek, or networkworld. Why?

Judging from tracert, they're using Level 3 as the network provider at least in Dallas and SF, though it could be someone else operating the datacenter and simply using the Level 3 net. It's also possible they're going through a reseller of Level 3 services, though I'm not sure how that would affect their network or their service level. Level 3 is a huge network provider; I don't think that they could be described as cut-rate.

My guess would be the problem is either at their datacenter, or else affecting one particular route that doesn't really affect a large cross section of businesses.

For what it's worth, a search on Google news turned up an extended outage affecting all of India, due to a cut ocean cable, and a regional outage in Carson City, NV, due to a truck accident. The Nevada accident is described as being just regional, but who knows whether it has any effect on communications between SF and Dallas. I have no idea whether the India outage is relevant at all.
Darkness Anubis
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04-05-2008 12:33
Realistically if it is an ISP issue....

It is entirely possible you could have been in world prior to the big kick and having relatively few problems. Just depends on what sim you were in and which Co-lo it was in as well as where the assett server you are on is co-lo. If it never went through the SF mess you would be fine.

Your stuff being housed on a server in an affected co-lo would result in total fubar.

I know my cousin was online right up to the big kick and she was scripting just fine. Saves were a bit slow but everything was pretty much normal. But I suspect she might be co-lo out of texas not SF.
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04-05-2008 12:50
The 11:01 am blog entry stated "Many high-profile services and corporations are feeling the pain this morning".

I have never seen ISP issues affect 'many high-profile services and corporations' without also seeing something about it on one or more of the technical news sites -- especially for something that has been going on this long.
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04-05-2008 13:00
From: Winter Ventura
The fact that the Beta works is actually the most confusing thing about this. If it were an ISP level issue, wouldn't the Beta Grid be affected as well?
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It depends on where things are hosted.
The problem appears to be as LL are blogging. The connections between data centres "have issues". The Beta is likely to be hosted close to home, and not in some far-flung data centre.



Meanwhile in other news.
Someone died in RL today.
An old woman. Someone I love very much.
I can't remember not knowing her.
I was alone with her when she died.
I held her hand.
I watched her last struggling breaths.
Now the world is at peace.


Maybe tomorrow the bit of the "interweb" that is currently borky will come back to life.
LL will beef up the asset servers and the internal network.
Whatever fubar happened will be fixed and watched for again.
And we will go on.
The great grid-off will be a distant memory, related by elderly residents to bored noobs.
Elinah Iredell
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04-05-2008 13:04
Well I am on sl now the main grid lets see what happens. I may upload a texture.

Update when I changed world environmental settings to sunset or sunrise my skin looks dark they have changed things. I dont recall this before . Takes getting used to. Be interesting to see how it affects skins and textures.

Elinah
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04-05-2008 13:55
Defiantly an ISP issue and I would hazard a guess that LL’s ISP is Verizon.
Take a look at this Internet health report chart at:

http://www.internetpulse.net/Main.aspx?Metric=AvailNtwk

You will see that there is 0% network availability between san Francisco and Dallas on Verizon and restricted on several other that link to Verizon.

Damn, I must be bored sitting in Africa and analysing American traffic patterns :)
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04-05-2008 19:41
From: Brad Sinister
Thanks for the welcome Nika
@ Sharie .. Ok with this Service i guess they use "Freenet" (a Provider in Germany) as Provider for 9.80 per month *lmao ...Jk ;-)

Well untill they get a second premium user from Germany, it's all they can afford :)
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