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Yiffy Yaffle
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04-16-2007 20:56
As most of you know, I've been a respected admin within the furry community in SL for about 2 years now. Today i was ejected from a couple of the security groups that i was involved in to protect my sims. One of them was a group for sim owner communication to warn each other about potential griefer threats so that we may all prepare for it. The other group was a group that went out of it's way to try and expose/stop the griefers. I was actively involved in both of them until today. I believe this sim owner who i will not mention names, is trying to harass me and turn people against me.

I was hoping there might be something i could do about this, if anyone would be willing to tell me? I have already filed a abuse report on them for harassment. It seams what ever i did wrong to tick this person off, it wasn't bad enough to get me banned from anywhere, just enough to get me kicked out of these important groups. The sad part is these people all know me very well, yet they still believe this sim owners story. Nobody has told me what i did, and it seams everyone i ask about it is ignoring me. These groups are a important part of my second life, and i use them to keep the furry sims in the valley community safe from griefers.

Should i take action against this person somehow? I'm not sure what i can do other then what i already did (filing a AR). The damage has already been done to me though. The person was a friend of mine but has now muted me and removed me from their friends list. So there is no way of getting them to talk to me. If any of you wish to find out who this person is just send me a IM in world or a PM on the forums. I seriously don't think this person is acting like themselves. I believe they may have had their account compromised.
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Dnali Anabuki
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04-17-2007 00:05
Do you have a 3rd party you can appeal to to talk to this person? A mediator of some kind? A mutual friend? Sounds like the only way that might help. At least so you can learn what ticked this person off.
Yiffy Yaffle
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04-17-2007 00:24
From: Dnali Anabuki
Do you have a 3rd party you can appeal to to talk to this person? A mediator of some kind? A mutual friend? Sounds like the only way that might help. At least so you can learn what ticked this person off.

I've had many of my friends offer. They also got no reply. I thank them all for their effort, but the true problem isn't with me, it's with the person who is doing this to me. It seams the owners of both groups have now muted and defriended me without telling me what i did. It's sad this had to happen. It discourages me from continuing on. It makes me not trust some people.

To think that I'm doing all this work to protect a bunch of sims, that are so quick to cast me out on my ear if they find something they dislike about me. And they don't even have the balls to tell me what i did, to my face. It makes me very sad and makes me question why i even bother to help them in the first place. I guess i have too kind of a heart. I question the leaders ability to lead if they can't even discusss things with people before jumping the gun.
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Tegg Bode
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04-17-2007 01:09
By what I know of you on the forums here, I find it hard to believe anyone would kick you from a group with out at least a discussion on the matter.
Curtis Conacher
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04-17-2007 01:38
Hi Yiffy

You say you were security for the sim and by its very nature this can lead to conflict and dispute with other residents. Are you sure you didn't get involved in a shootout with the wrong person (somebody with important connections maybe as an alt)? This is the trouble with SL, with so many alts available to each resident you dont know who you might piss off and then regret later.
bilbo99 Emu
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04-17-2007 01:58
It's bad enough these owners have muted you but to not even talking to mutual friends in order to glean the offending factor seems utterly ludicrous. They appear to prove their incapability to lead if they can't communicate, seems childish behaviour to me.

Maybe for bulletins of value, a friend might copy/paste to you?
Alazarin Mondrian
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04-17-2007 03:50
I'm sorry to hear you've been victimised like that, Yiffy. Something's not quite right here and I feel it highlights one of the inherent weaknesses in systems such as BanLink that was raised on another thread here.
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Dale Glass
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04-17-2007 05:27
From: Alazarin Mondrian
I'm sorry to hear you've been victimised like that, Yiffy. Something's not quite right here and I feel it highlights one of the inherent weaknesses in systems such as BanLink that was raised on another thread here.


I agree it's not good, but what does this have to do with banlink? She was removed through manual action, due to direct communication from person to person, without the involvement of anything like BanLink.

IMO, this proves that trust networks exist whether you like them or not. They're a natural thing -- people have friends, talk and trust or not each other. In fact, BanLink is probably more accountable as it works in the open, compared to IMs from friend to friend which can work without anybody else being able to tell what's going on.
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04-17-2007 06:01
From: Alazarin Mondrian
I'm sorry to hear you've been victimised like that, Yiffy. Something's not quite right here and I feel it highlights one of the inherent weaknesses in systems such as BanLink that was raised on another thread here.


What does this have to do with BanLink? You IMed me last night asking if BL was the group Yiffy was referring to.... perhaps you didn't get my reply, Alazarin?

BanLink remains neutral - even if several subscribers have a dispute with one another, that dispute is between them - as it should be.
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Alazarin Mondrian
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04-17-2007 07:16
Hi Travis. I got your reply, thanks. And as a reply to both you and Dale, my comments about the Banlink system were not meant as an attack at either of you. I was under the impression that the actions taken against Yiffy were affected through the BanLink system.

No product or system is ever perfect and will continuously need tweaking and refining over time as new demands arise and weaknesses are discovered. I read through parts of the thread devoted to concerns about ratings systems and was left the feeling that they *could* be gamed by determined groups of people using alts. I might be wrong on that and I hope so. But if it's at all possible that's something that needs looking into and patching up if possible.
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Dale Glass
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04-17-2007 07:49
From: Alazarin Mondrian
Hi Travis. I got your reply, thanks. And as a reply to both you and Dale, my comments about the Banlink system were not meant as an attack at either of you. I was under the impression that the actions taken against Yiffy were affected through the BanLink system.


Don't see why'd you think that, since BanLink (to my best knowledge) deals with land bans, and Yiffy was manually removed from a SL group. The action had to be performed by a human.

From: Alazarin Mondrian

No product or system is ever perfect and will continuously need tweaking and refining over time as new demands arise and weaknesses are discovered. I read through parts of the thread devoted to concerns about ratings systems and was left the feeling that they *could* be gamed by determined groups of people using alts. I might be wrong on that and I hope so. But if it's at all possible that's something that needs looking into and patching up if possible.

True, nothing is perfect. But not all rating systems are created the same. I made mine paying great attention to the issues you mention, and I'm pretty sure it's very resistant to them. If you can think of a way to game it, then I'd be really interested to hear about it.

But since you mention it, no, multiple alts won't really help much. They need to be *trusted* alts, and not only trusted, but also by somebody who matters. Eg, if somebody wanted to ruin my score, they'd need to ruin it in Luskwood or some other place like that. They and their alts would need to stay there, gain people's trust, get rated positively, then rate me negatively. And with enough alts to outweight all the positives I have.

I'm not sure how long such a thing would take, but it's definitely not a matter of a few minutes. A lot of dedication would be needed for that.

Then even if somebody managed, anybody can always change their mind. Removing a rating is a couple of seconds, and would undetermine weeks of effort.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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04-17-2007 08:54
From: Curtis Conacher
Hi Yiffy

You say you were security for the sim and by its very nature this can lead to conflict and dispute with other residents. Are you sure you didn't get involved in a shootout with the wrong person (somebody with important connections maybe as an alt)? This is the trouble with SL, with so many alts available to each resident you dont know who you might piss off and then regret later.


The security i work with stays within the TOS for SL, and does not shoot. We investigate and warn sim owners. We try to help people prepare for attacks on their land.

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Also this has nothing to do with banlink. I do fear that eventually it will... As for right now it doesn't. It involves 2 groups that i'm not sure i can give the names of (forum rules), but i will give them if asked in IMs or PMs since that isn't public.

So far i have still not heard anything about what i did wrong. I'm not going to rest until i know what i did. I may be muted by the problem starter, but I'm not banned from their sims. They may be ignoring anyone who asks about it, but eventually they will crack...
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Ken March
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04-17-2007 09:17
Sorry to hear you feel that way, a non-topic question, Yiffy, pls let me know what kind of attacks should we try to protect our land against? thanks. :)

From: Yiffy Yaffle
The security i work with stays within the TOS for SL, and does not shoot. We investigate and warn sim owners. We try to help people prepare for attacks on their land.
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Faybot Foxley
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04-17-2007 09:28
Maybe they are changing the security group name to something else and didn't tell you. Perhaps they forgot to add you also? Long shots, but hopefully it is all just a misunderstanding.
Yiffy Yaffle
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04-17-2007 09:38
From: Faybot Foxley
Maybe they are changing the security group name to something else and didn't tell you. Perhaps they forgot to add you also? Long shots, but hopefully it is all just a misunderstanding.

That is what i thought at first, but when i mentioned to the person who ejected me that i was in another group, then directly went to the other group founder and told them to eject me and not give a reason. This is definitely a assault on me. :/ The sad part is that other group founder actually complied... And has also muted me. What ever i did to piss them off... They should tell me. I have no recollection of it at all.
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Aislinn Jewell
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04-17-2007 09:56
Yiffy, I'm so sorry you have been hurt by this. One day the truth will come out. In the meantime, Set up your own group, and let your reputation of your good work speak for itself. Keep doing the good job you are doing!

Your honest practices and good intentions will earn you a good position in the community, as long as you handle this with care and patience. Your kind heart will win over those who are unsure who to believe.

Best of luck to you!!!
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Yiffy Yaffle
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04-17-2007 10:54
I decided to post about the entire event in my blog. since it is not hosted on anything owned by SL it should be 100% legal to do so. in the chat logs i blanked out the innocent peoples names to avoid them from having to get involved.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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04-17-2007 11:39
I have formed a group in SL called "Anti Power Abuse" if anyone wants to join it. It's basically a discussion group to express the public interest of a better community free of corruption.
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Sweet Primrose
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04-17-2007 13:13
"I have already filed a abuse report on them for harassment"

As disheartening as it may be to find some of your friends have betrayed you, apparently, I do not understand why you would consider this AR worthy. Being exluded is not abuse, is it, even if it does hurt?
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04-17-2007 13:32
I guess the only thing to do now is become a very pretty female avi and be a greeeeeeeeefer....


























:)

btw i visited your blog, the title is misspelled, the correct spelling is 'Experience' you have it spelled as 'Experiance '
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04-17-2007 14:10
Two corrections for you then:

"Spelt" == "Spelled"
"Greifer" == "Griefer"


From: poopmaster Oh
btw i visited your blog, the title is misspelled, the correct spelling is 'Experience' you have it spelt as 'Experiance '
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04-17-2007 14:28
I hate that this is happening to you, Yiffy.

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Alazarin Mondrian
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04-17-2007 15:01
Just read your blog post, Yiffy. I know you and you're a fine person. You've been stitched up like a kipper and you deserve at least an explanation for what happened though by the sound of things it's not looking too god. Hang in there.
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Escaped Loon
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04-17-2007 15:54
it sounds like whatever power those ppl held had gone to their heads.. like they were taking pleasure in your grief, but they knew that techinically they were not griefing you, even tho they were, just not in a way they could get banned for it.. they sound like very weak, petty ppl if thats the case.. your better off without them,

you sound more than capable enough of running your own group anyway, just remember that rome wasnt built overnight
Yiffy Yaffle
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04-17-2007 16:03
Thank you for pointing out my spelling problems. I know how to spell the words, but sometimes they don't come out right... I can't help that.

Within the last 2 hours, the attacker has ejected me from yet another group. I am warning other group owners to de-rank him before he does it to any more. he is purposely attacking me and ruin my second life. I don't know what possessed him to do this, but i feel, I'm going to have to contact LL's hotline about it soon if something isn't done.

I hope that answers your question as to why I ARed him.
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