ok folks..ready for an oldie..but.. newish thing?

My partners and I (four of us ) have three sims.... two open to the public one an open space sim, thats just for us and for building purposes. It is closed except to group members.

As you can imagine we transfer things back and forth so that we can do what each of us does best. (my does best is make random things that don't fit into anything, but crack me up..but whatever) Often we (now in the past so dont get any ideas, jerks) have done this by setting the original for sale full perm.

So. We have a fan.. maybe more than one..but, likely its all one group of fans. What they have done is gone to our store sims... and flown up..like 650 or more, cammed over and purchased at zero, full perm, the original build(s) AS they were happening. Like we are right there even.

The main AV involved speaks Portuguese "only" and in effort to reach them.. only respond in that language.. mostly saying.. "Ihave no idea why you are bugging me...leave me alone or I will file a report" and every group they belong to is primarily in that language..but ODDLY the store that they have..is named EXACTLY our new sim store name..cept a "sex shop" instead of romance sim (all in English) and..created like even the floor boards this month.

We have contacted the Lindens..and Guy was very nice and did what he could *deleted the things she purchased and forgot, rather than having us have to "return" them to her..which we never would have..it would have rot on our land rather than "return it"...

But.. we have.. no fly..(joke) limited to group (joke cuz you can fly there) ... security wont work cuz..disable camera constraints and your select limit..and you can do whatever you want.

Ideas? (other than the not selling things to each other cuz, gosh darn it we know that part now...) but...we are fairly certain that this is intended, malicious, and not a stranger..but likely someone (or their friends) that we know well....and its likely not going to stop

Jake..who never rambles..but is irritated beyond belief

ban her from the sims!

Obviously we did... but theres no doubt its an alt.


edited to add..
and my poor partner who lost her things.... like entirely cuz she didnt have a copy even (dummy..not that it would matter..its floating full perm now) is on the verge of tears.

So, you are worried about really just this one person(s), yes? Not random passersby so much?

If you can at all afford it, how about if you get a little land elsewhere to build on, and tell no one .... NO ONE .... where it is?
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I do not think that random passer-by-er folks fly up to get into a blocked sim to buy, or look at things at over 650 M high..no. I am paranoid enough to wear the tinfoil hat..but not so much to believe that average newbie-joe..wants in on our stuff.

This person(group) is doing this on purpose. There is no doubt. It happened twice that we have confirmed.

Yeh... and I have thought of doing that, but... to open new land after having JUST opened a new regular sim, and a new open space sim (for building) is.. a stretch at this moment for us all. We refuse to put money in.. only out. New hidey land..isn't an option while the new sim isn't making money yet.

Jake - now going for a beer

ok, if you've contacted the Lindens once already about this, how about if you contact them again, and see if they will trade your current openspace build sim for another, non-adjacent one? They may not be enthused, but then again, you are paying quite a bit of tier, and growing a business ... they might.

Essentially, that would just be changing the address of your build sim, to one that your "fan" cannot find. Your tier would remain the same.
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some one could at least feel bad for us... *sobs quietly in the corner*


and we will talk about seeing if we can move the open space sim. But.. its unlikely that it will happen. we all know that.

I'm not sure what else you really need to do. You have an adjacent sim open to the public it seems. Your build sim is closed to the public. The only way they can get to your work area is to cam into it. I think there are limits to camming.

You can build at 4000M. I don't think they can cam all the way up there as long as you don't provide some kind of prim ladder to climb with their camera.

Maybe between your public sim and private sim put up some security devices to send home anyone flying above a certain altitude.

And definitely stop that selling to each other for zero dollars. I think that was the big one.

I think if you turn off public access on the estate tools for the openspace sim, then outsiders can not even see into the sim (please someone correct me on this if I am wrong, been awhile since I used estate tools)

then you would create the allow list within the estate tools for that openspace sim

no harm in trying right?

yeah, send a copy to each other... or set a dollar amount, that you will transfer back and forth to each other.

Well right.. lol we would never do it that way normally..but in the sky on a private sim... we just didnt imagine there were actual like..scavengers! Thieves yes. but to do it that way....is really really just stunning to me

so yeh we have two sims in a row... open space, store..then the newest addition (previously owned) adjacent to the store... (going from north to south)SO I think what we will do is just.. freaking security all three sim's skies... I HATE no fly sims (even though I fly like I am loaded) but if we security all three sim's skies...*sigh* and build higher even.. we should be fine right.. ? then..technically if we wanted to.. we could open the open sim... right???

most folks know that you can still fly in no fly zones, so even that won't help

just don't set things to sell at 0L or if you do, check the map and make sure there are no green dots around, then set it, sell it, then take it off of for sale

as for thieves and such

expect it as you would in RL
would you take your TV or computer etc, and sit it out by the roadside so your friend can pick it up, left unattended...

do you think it would stay there long?

I would hardly say that in a private no access sim, with no fly, 650 in the sky while we are there - is comparable to leaving our goods sitting by the road side.. kinda more like sitting in your house, with the doors locked, handing something to a buddy and it being snatched from your hands... and being unable to see the thief til you look at your security camera video tapes...and notice that they MAGICALLY stole it from JUST OUTSIDE of your yard.

Just saying.

People do amazing things Jake.. I think I know how you are feeling.

I answered a request on the Builders of Second Life group to which I belong, for a small urgently needed full perms item to be built. The guy needed it in like, half an hour... offered to pay my price (I quoted 300 linden I think) and I built the item... He came to see it... and as i was transferring permissions (they come first in the menu right?) as I clicked the 'give away/resell box and before i had the chance to set the price to 300 he took it, and poofed

I messaged him, thinking it was an error and he just forgot... no reply... again, again... he muted me...

I sat there with my mouth open thinking... Duhhh???

Nothing surprises me any more

imogen

isn't there some way you can set the items for sale to group only? I know there is a group only freebie script, maybe use that?

/me feels bad for Jake.

Your "fan" is a rotten person and will suffer karmic retribution in many lives yet to come!

While most people in SL are very nice, a few are simply not nice at all.

You don't need an anchor, you can stand on the land and just cam up 4000m and due to an old, old interest list bug draw distance is limited along the X,Y but not Z so you'll see the structures up there even with a normal draw distance (small objects still won't make your interest list).

*bump*

I'd think people would have learned that after the sheepbot incidents.

Are you restricting using the parcel access or the estate access?

If you're using the parcel access restrictions (on a sim sized parcel) then noone can tp to the sim (there's nowhere they're allowed to land), but they can still fly over onto the sim just as long as they're 50m above ground level (and fly is a client side restriction so "no fly" really is pointless).

You need to uncheck "Allow Public Access" in the Estate tab and then add the group to the "Allowed Groups" (could be called different, from memory ) in order to properly make a sim private.

*hugs the OP* My alt and my main share stuff all the time. What we do is this... Use profiles and transfer copies of items that way. Actually,it's the only option in my case, since I'm a clothing designer, but still..

And don't set the items for sale while working on them. Did that once, the idiot I was and someone bought the thing right out from under me. *snickers*

Maybe try Share with Group. Start a private group with your trusted friends. Set the stuff you want to share to full perms for the next owner, but don't set it for sale. Then click the Share with Group option. Anyone in the group will then be able to grab copies of the objects.

There is no way to limit sale of an in-world object to an individual (or a group). There have been several JIRA requests to add that capability, as we can do it now with land sales.

The best bet is to have one of the OpenSpace sims moved so it is not touching any other sim along an edge (corner to corner won't matter), and make it an estate that is separate from your other sims. Then set that one sim to not be public access, with an access list that is ONLY your trusted group members. No one else in SL, other than Lindens, can go there then, at ANY altitude.

Use that secured sim to do all your building and in-place transfers.

Where possible, directly give the items to each other as an asset transfer, rather than selling the items to each other. I only use the "sell original" option where something complex is being built in-place, like a large house with all the landscaping and terraforming.

As for your thief, and that is all that they are... AR them repeatedly, and file a DMCA claim against them. Unfortunately, while SL has lots of great people, it also has scum like your thief, with no morals or ethics when it comes to stealing other people's hard work.

Sounds like Karma. You steal land, someone steals from you. Why are you so surprised, it does happen you know. Not saying one person is right or wrong, but, isnt that how karma works? You pay for the bad you reap.

Rose the irony of this is it most likely is Karma at work - if you steal from someone how can you be mad when you are stolen from?

So, this is not misread, while I will be accused of perhaps being the fan, I am only saying this once, that I am not. Only, that there is 2 sides to every story and an explanation for most things. I also believe, I know who the person they are referring to is, and I assure, its not them either. But, do as humans do, and find someone to blame, it is so much easier than taking responsiblity for your own faults.

Let us count the faults:

1. They have obviously stirred the pot somewhere, for someone to be remotely interested in their builds.
2. They set the objects for sale, at $0.

Combine the two, you slip up, disaster follows. So the cries for attention and sympathy are really just absurd and weak attempts for recognition and of course drama.

And what of the people that steal land? Are they not just as immoral and ethic-less?

I am sure you are wondering how thats even possible, I was quite appalled to learn of it myself. But apparently, they way the old system was set up, around 2005, you could steal the group land. So, really all it took was one jolted lover and a friend to egg him on. Mission accomplished.

I don't see what this has to do with your accusations here, what went on three years ago can hardly be the reason for someone realising that building is going on where they can grab copies. Even if it is some sort of revenge from 2005, do two wrongs make a right?

We have no proof what you are saying is true and you are trying to out someone publicly, that is not on.

But threads like these are fun!!!