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um well here's a question... could you add my place to your profile picks please??

Phil Deakins
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05-14-2008 10:59
From: Nyoko Salome
btw the original search sticky is awesome good info :) i'd done some basic searchterm stuff before with website design, but taking it to this level is just a bit new to me (and normally pretty distasteful lol too - i'm sure to everyone just the same). thanks for all the help folks!! :) really so appreciate it... :)
The problem with all search engines is that they have to rank pages according to something, and the effect of ranking them at all means that one page is ranked above another - rightly or wrongly. I've often used this as an example of why it is necessary to optimise for a search engine...

Suppose there are 100 hotels in New York and, as hotels, they are all pretty much equal. They all have websites and a search engine needs to display them in its reults for "new york hotels". Which do they put first, second, third....100th? All 100 are pretty much equal, so why is the 100th one at the bottom of the rankings where it won't get any traffic? It's every bit as meritous as the ones at the top. It may be unfortunate that some optimisation needs to be done, but it *does* need to be done - either that or leave all the traffic to the top ranked hotels.

Google is even worse. More than a year ago they came out with a new system where perfectly good, even unique, websites simply couldn't get all their pages in the main index. Websites need to score well in their 'profiles' - the better a site scores, the more pages it can have in the main index. The 'profile' is to do with IBLs, OBLs and some other stuff. You virtually have to jump through hoops to get all the pages of a website into Google's main index. It's not how search engines should be, but the web has grown so much, etc. etc., that Google found it necessary to go down that road.

So don't find it distasteful that optimising for the SL engine, including the acquisition of IBLs (Picks), is necessary. It's merely a fact of current search engines, and can't be avoided, except by allowing the chips to fall where they may, and possibly going out of business in the process.
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Nyoko Salome
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Join date: 18 Jul 2005
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05-14-2008 11:28
ohh please don't think that i consider 'optimization' distasteful lol!!;) it is practical and necessary, certainly... i guess it's a case if one person's honest, it's 'optimization' - if it's a dishonest thief, lol -then- it's spamming. ;)

just that i tried some of the things from the sticky (like placing prims in search named to my search terms) that -are- spam-ugly in my results page. :\ didn't make any much diff this time around, and now kinda ruing that i did so, just for the look of it (although i see others doing this trick to, for whatever it's worth - the sheer repetition certainly means it's meaningless to the end result). just probably wasn't worth doing at all - lol i was feeling desperate. ;)

plus i've been honked that the thief simply named their plot 'bodyoil', and from the sticky it maybe seemed that first word 'wins' a lot of points... changed mine to see if that would help, but that messes with my wish to keep my 'branding' prominent as the name 'ny's bodyoil' instead of 'bodyoil ny's bodyoil' as i tried adjusting the other day :\ ) - do you think that is worth keeping if it makes a shave of diff, after all the picks work and other optimizing?
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
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05-14-2008 15:51
From: Nyoko Salome
plus i've been honked that the thief simply named their plot 'bodyoil', and from the sticky it maybe seemed that first word 'wins' a lot of points... changed mine to see if that would help, but that messes with my wish to keep my 'branding' prominent as the name 'ny's bodyoil' instead of 'bodyoil ny's bodyoil' as i tried adjusting the other day :\ ) - do you think that is worth keeping if it makes a shave of diff, after all the picks work and other optimizing?
The 'prominence' of words does matter a little, so it's slightly better to have the main searchterm at the front of the parcel's name than further along. Also, the single searchterm "Bodyoil" is better than a name with more words, but I prefer to have the store name in the name too. My parcel name is "LOW PRIM FURNITURE with STYLE at PRIM SAVERS low prim furniture" (I put an extra "low prim furniture" at the end for good measure :)). You could do something like "Bodyoil by NY'S", and have space for some more words that sell your place to the person viewing the results. For instance, would you be more inclined to visit a place that just says "Bodyoil" or a place that says "Bodyoil by NY'S - the original, and still SL's best bodyoil".
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Nyoko Salome
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05-14-2008 17:10
GENIOUS!! :) lol gosh thank you, and thank you all very much for your patience and tips and advice... steps are being taken now... :)
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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05-14-2008 17:39
From: Nyoko Salome
2) if it is instead that i haven't been filing dmca's properly, where is the 'field guide' to completely, properly filing a dmca that nips these issues in the bud, before they become issues that need taken out into discussion? (recently the lindens blogged about making the process more explicit... what's the update on this??)

3) slEx and onrez take emailed pdf's for dmca's, and respond quickly and properly to such notices; why not the lab??

You've probably seen this but... From the DMCA page at http://secondlife.com/corporate/dmca.php


From: someone
To File a Notification

A written notification must be made. This can be done either by fax or written letter (regular mail or courier). Emails will not be accepted unless a prior arrangement has been made. The notification must:
  1. Identify in sufficient detail the copyrighted work that you believe has been infringed upon (i.e., describe the work that you own).
  2. Identify the in-world item that you claim is infringing on your copyright, and provide information reasonably sufficient to locate the item in-world. For example "The allegedly infringing work I am referring to is located on the map area labeled 'Freelon, 104,30,56'."
  3. Provide a reasonably sufficient method of contacting you; phone number and email address would be preferred.
  4. (Optional) Provide information, if possible, sufficient to permit us to notify the user(s) who posted the content that allegedly contains infringing material. You may also provide screenshots or other materials that are helpful to identify the works in question. (This is for identification only, not to "prove" substantive claims.)
  5. Include the following statement: "I have good faith belief that the use of the copyrighted materials described above and contained on the service is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or by protection of law."
  6. Include the following statement: "I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate and that I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed."
  7. Sign the paper
Please note: The DMCA provides that you may be liable for damages (including costs and attorneys fees) if you falsely claim that an in-world item is infringing your copyrights. We recommend contacting an attorney if you are unsure whether an in-world object is protected by copyright laws.

Send the written document to the designated Copyright Agent at Linden Research:

Linden Research, Inc.
Attn: Designated Copyright Agent
945 Battery Street
San Francisco, CA 94111


Alternatively, fax the document to (415)520-9660. On the cover sheet, please write ATTN: DMCA NOTIFICATION

FAQ How do I make a DMCA notification or counter-notification?Please follow the instructions above precisely, including only the enumerated information. Inclusion of any information beyond the specifically required information and optional information listed above could significantly impede review of your attempted notification. You may find it simplest to cut-and-paste the numbered items above and use them as headings for the information you are submitting.
How does Linden Lab determine who "wins" and "loses"?Linden Lab does not adjudicate the substance of the copyright claim: we do not declare winners and losers. Your copyright in an item is determined in the real world, by real-world processes including the DMCA. The DMCA process allows users of an online service to resolve copyright disputes using the adjudication systems available in the real world.
Can I submit my notices over email?Unfortunately, email addresses posted on public website pages quickly become the target of spam, making it difficult to review legitimate communications. Please submit information as requested above; if digital files are necessary to identify materials in question, we can make arrangements for digital delivery.
Can I sign notifications and counter-notifications with my Second Life avatar name?We will not accept notices that are not signed by a real legal person. The DMCA process is a real-world process with real-world ramifications.
I don't agree with the required statements. Do I have to state these things?We will not accept notices under the DMCA that do not include the statements required by the DMCA.
Can you change the DMCA process?The Digital Millennium Copyright Act is federal law, passed by the United States Congress. Linden Lab does not have the power to change congressional acts.
Why is Linden Lab imposing liability for damages for false claims of copyright infringement?The liability for damages for false claims is a provision of the DMCA, which was not written by Linden Lab. Note that these damages and legal fees can be significant, for example http://www.onlinepolicy.org/action/legpolicy/opg_v_diebold/.
Can Linden Lab give me legal advice concerning my claim?Linden Lab cannot provide legal advice to you. If you are uncertain about any legal issues, you are well-advised to obtain the services of a competent legal professional.
Do you terminate accounts based on DMCA claims?If Linden Lab believes that a user of Second Life is continually abusing the DMCA process, either with filings that appear to be without basis, or by continually re-posting content that is the subject of valid DMCA notifications, we may exercise our right to terminate the abusing party's account. Keep in mind though, that Linden Lab's actions still do not determine the substantive outcome of copyright disputes. Copyright matters are real-world rights, governed by real-world systems.
Where can I find more information about the DMCA and other copyright laws?There are many available resources on the Internet. Linden Lab is not responsible for the content provided by these other resources, but we have found the following to be informative:

A summary of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act can be found at:
http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

The text of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act can be found here:
http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/hr2281.pdf

The U.S. federal copyright code is here:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html

More government-provided information on copyrights can be found here:
http://www.copyright.gov

Many universities maintain useful public information regarding copyrights, including:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/Copyright
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/

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4) why will the lab -not- remove items/objects 'belonging' to slex/onrez, even when their server boxes are being used to store illegal wears?
My understanding of the way things work is that if LL removes the UUIDs that are the subject of the DMCA filing then the server boxes won't be able to give them out. Of course my understanding of things doesn't have much connection with how thing actually are a good bit of the time.
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Nyoko Salome
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Join date: 18 Jul 2005
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05-15-2008 09:24
:) hehe thanks suzanne! ... quite familiar with the webpage; the form i sussed long ago (been filing for awhile now)... it's pretty simple, but what i'd like to know in more detail is -what- is allowable to detail in the list of offending items (section 2) - what the lindens consider actionable and what isn't, and i mean:

- itemized inventory within a prim seller - clothing, skins, etc. also:

--landmarks to offending parties' location (mostly an slex thing here) - on occassion the thief will post for sale on slex for 0Ls a landmark to their inworld store... i seem to remember they will respond promptly if alerted to it.

--inworld landmarks would be near-impossible to report, but what about classifieds to offending stores? search listings? landmark-dispensing prims?? (most likely ARable only at best, but that's pretty ineffective, and since it is part of the offender's tactics in illegal enterprise, i would like to record this in the filing. maybe under section 4...)

- the prim packaging set to sell - the package may contain a mix of your stolen wears and another's wears (and not knowing whether those wears are also stolen or not, one cannot id or recognize them). if i point out this, with a mix of mine and someone else's work, is that invalidating?

- scripted one-prim sellers - 'packaging' set up for skin sales, again potentially with a mix of offending and unknown content.

- prim vendor server boxes - slex, onrez, inworld devices

- prim remote vends - those offending servers' point-of-sale devices. empty but the actual 'register' used by the thief or their alts.

if any of these cannot be included in the list, even if -most- of the list is actionable, it may invalidate the whole filing. would like to know specifically which ones if any cannot be included. and can then the 'do not include' items be included to section 4/optional info?? is there anything that could be put into 4 that would invalidate the form? (would think not, but would like to know for sure...)

another thing in section 4 - that i've done previously, but not sure if it was effective or even invalidating - thief #1 is only owner of a remote vendor of thief #2's creation, who is selling thief #3's illegal wears (originally created by thief #4!! :\) - how much of this should i spell out, without it invalidating the form?

now as far as what i've been filing per avatar, i only list what they are owner of - in the case of thief #1, only the remote vending system displaying the offending content. this much seems to work so far, but back to the potential mixed-packaging and server boxes, i dunno it seems to get funny...

now having typed thru this some, it's helping me clarify my own thoughts. :) and now thanks suz, i am realizing somewhat what 'actionable' really means - not that the lindens could (or would) be willing to remove content from inworld, but only will cancel the offender's account after - what, three strikes? (two would be preferred:\)... i hate that they get away with alt-hopping though.

i am inbetween on inventory removal myself. :\ and erring for now on the side against my own... i'm sure it could be a potentially terribly dangerous mechanism to have operable on the asset server. :\ frought with peril!! ;) still gosh times like this definitely make one want it.

appreciate if you stuck thru all my rambling again lol!! :) again any advice/suggestions on the list, greatly appreciated... would love to get more details and maybe get a sticky together. :) there isn't one yet for the process that i've seen, is there?
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