"Communication" of Adult content

So... The "Communication" clause has been talked about on other threads. But, I haven't seen it get it's own thread. Correct me if I'm wrong. But, here I go. =^-^=

The CS guidelines as we know them are pretty much all enforced by an Abuse Report or a witnessing Linden. So, when Linden Lab says something is banned, most people can easily get away with it until they're reported or caught in the act. (^_^)

That said, the "Communication" clause in the CS looks to me as though Linden Lab is describing the ability to Abuse Report unwelcome IMs containing Adult content in context while someone is on PG and/or Mature land.

So, to say Hornynoob Fapmeister IMs you to describe what ever nastiness he intends to do to your avatar and you're not on Adult land... You reserve every right to AR him for violating the non-Adult guidelines of the location you're at. (^_^)

Or, even pictures. If Hornynoob Fapmeister gives you an inventory offer of Texture-MyWoodieZoomedIn, again he's communicating Adult content to you and you reserve every right to AR him. (^_^)

I view that rule as a matter of the "Predictability" Linden Lab is talking about. If you're receiving unwelcome sexual advances from someone in IMs while on PG land, they're not only potentially violating your sensibilities. But, they are violating the CS as it's established. (^_^)

In the end, it will take an AR from the recipient for any enforcement of this rule to occur. But, I think it IS there for this sake so that people can't be randomly IMed or get random inventory offers of adult pictures, landmarks, notecards, animations, or whatever else is possible. (^_^)

Heck, if you want to skew it even more. An irrational mind may consider a Bloodlines bite to be violent (Adult) content and use that as a valid reason to AR the biter. Who knows? I've seen people do more for less and get away with it. (^_^)

What are your thoughts? Am I off my rocker here? Do you think IMs will be monitored for content? Is Helter Skelter coming down fast? Have at it. (^_^)y

Makes me wonder what ever happened to the concept of " consenting adults".

Granted....if someone makes an offer or gesture that is innaporpriate on any level...we always have the choice of muting them. And further more.....one has to actually accept the photo of Joehungfoyoplezure......and if it turns out to be lude....well...I guess delete is a good option. But.....if you accept it to begin with.....then, you also accept responsibility that it might not be something you want to see, and you've just taken a measurable risk, which requires a certain responsibility of the 'acceptors' part. For that reason....I would never AR someone for giving me a lude picture.....I might ban them from my land...or mute them....and likely tell them what I think using a few explatives. But I wouldn't whine like a 4yo to LL every time someone tried to offend me. (the likelhood that anyone could offend me is another matter entirely, it's not easy to do)

As I understand that clause seems to mean exactly what you're reading it to mean. And I do accept LL's stance....it's their bizz...they can run it the way they see fit. But for my own personal experience..... I really could care less.....and I don't accept things from people I don't trust anyway...nor do I give anyone the time of day who is clearly 'trying' to annoy me. I leave...or I mute...or I log off......or if all else fails I whip out my multi-gadget and make them appear to be farting, complete with nasty dark cloud comeing from their backside. I don't need LL to fight my battles for me.

That last thing that strikes me...is if I'm on PG land....and you're my friend....and we're having a conversation that includes some not so PG stuff in IM......it's hardly LL's business. Nor is it their business if you share an item with me by giving it to me, and it qualifies as 'adult'. Unless LL is planning on monitering every single transaction and conversation between people on PG land.....a LOT is gonna slip thru the cracks. As well it should. I see that idea the same as I see the laws in some US states that still prohibit certain 'acts' between adults. If anyone were to dare come into my home and slap a ticket on me and my sweety for what we do behind closed doors......well....my reaction wouldn't be pretty and THAT is something I take more offense to than any lude act or comment by anone in SL.........IRL.....privacy matters....boundaries matter.....and the idea of 'consenting adults' is very very fiercely defended by many. When the long arm of the law tries to reach it's grubby needling fingers into the bedroom.....that's taking it too far.

SL used to be this fun little place where a bunch of cool, quirky people hung out.

All these new rules would have seemed like a foreign language back then.

Now ... Meh.

Yep. Little by little, the fun is being sucked out of it. Soon everything and everyone will be a predictable beige color. Don't make anything edgy, don't do anything edgy, don't say anything edgy, just take the corporate pablum and keep on moving.

Monitored by whom? Do you think someone's going to sit there and check tens of thousands of IMs for four-letter words? And then work out where, exactly, you were standing when that naughty message arrived?

This is little more than cover-your-butt language. I really doubt that LL is going to follow up on ARs sent in for every noob that sends suggestive messages. They barely manage the ARs they get now.
At best, it'll prevent business owners from sending spam to people on the mainland to drive business to Zindra. I'm all for that.

Apparently it's asking far too much to expect so-called adults to understand the concept of "mute". Let's by all means drag Governance into it and cause all kinds of time-wasting money-costing drama over naughty words spoken in what passes for privacy. With luck maybe people will be banned and lose forever whatever investment of real time and real money they've put into SL! That'd be neat!

I was under the impression it was mostly meant to cover open chat offences, like cybering, or emoting the soopa nasty like in clubs. The part about "will be filtered from non-verified accounts" to me says "word filter" as I think that's about the only plausible explanation for that part. More likely open chat than anything IMO.


I tend not to think so with IM's. There's still quite a bit of reasonably naughty stuff still allowed on mature land, so if they did I think they'de find "the affected 2-4%" was a drop in the bucket. I don't want to think about how slow IM's would be if they tried a word filter gridwide, WITH a verified check on the sender, WITH a check for rating of originating sim, WITh a check for verified recipient, AND a check for rating of recipients sim. That doesn't even *touch* group IM's

My guess would be a PG/Mature open chat filter kind of like the naughty word filter they have built into these here VB forums.. where words like "shit" just come up like ****. This is LL though so the brakes of THAT trainwreck are already screeching.

One thing I'm seeing is for the people who leave their Xcite stuff, umm, active in inappropriate areas. I mean, I hated the freebie warehouses and someone's touched some's "toy," causing it to spew. Or me to want to spew.

And the "Wan sexorz?" IMs.

But I voted for Disneyfication. I'm just paranoid like that. *goes an gets a tinfoil vagoo*

I chose Pie because Pie..it's just good..

seriously though i didn't see anything in the CS speaking of IM's..
adult communication is not an IM..Adult communication in a chat sense would be dirty words or sexual thing or other things not allowed on mature or PG areas in general chat..

it only becomes adult rated if it is out there for all to see..

Nah, they'll just do like Neopets did and change the "naughty" word into something "safe," like "bikini" became "cardigan" upon sending.

If it winds up being the case, I suggest, nay, request, that the words be replaced with randomly drawn Linden names! We'll be cursing them anyways

Come and meet me behind the infoHub and you can Linden my Blondin with your Ashley Linden while I Beno Linden on the countertop. Oooo.... Linden me baby, Linden me! But it's going to cost you a Benjamin Lindens-load of Lindens.

'cause I'm such an Echo Linden like that.

I will admit to being a little uneasy about the vagueness of the term "communication," but the idea that LL is going to start monitoring IMs seems a bit far-fetched. It's not as though LL has EVER been proactive about "prohibited content" except perhaps of the most egregious kind: they have always relied on community policing through ARs.

If that is so, then the only time an IM is going to be reported is when one of the recipients does so, in which case it would fall under the heading of what Immy calls "unwelcome IMs containing Adult content": -- i.e., unsolicited and unwanted sexual content in an area that is supposed to be "safe" from such content.

Sorry, I don't have a problem with this. "Predictable experience" may be a bit of a weasel-term, but I think that you have to assume, unless given good evidence otherwise, that someone in a PG or Mature area is there, and NOT on Zindra, because such material would be unwelcome. If they DO suggest that they want it, then well and fine: I have no problems with adult content IMs between clearly consenting adults anywhere. But in such a case, no AR would presumably result anyway, unless in the instance of something like entrapment, which would I imagine be clear from the IM log anyway.

It IS all about context and the social codes that govern behaviour within a community. In RL, if I go to swingers' club and get served photos of someone's equipment, I likely have little right to be offended or surprised, unless I have already explicitly said "No." But if I am at my workplace, or in a coffee shop, and someone does the same without invitation . . . well, that's harassment. In such a context, I have absolutely no problem with someone taking action against it, in RL or SL.

It's about respect. I have the right, if I am somewhere such material is prohibited, to NOT be harassed by this kind of shit. And you, if you have any respect for me as a fellow human being, have the responsibility to respect that. If you choose to unilaterally decide that I really need to see that photo of your willie, without consulting my wishes, then, yeah, I'm going to AR your ass.

Consider yourself warned

If Hornynoob Fapmeister sends me a picture of his woody, I would just AR him anyway whether I was on Adult land, he was on Adult land or neither because he's being offensive.
If he walks around wearing it offensively, I'll AR him too, but if he walks around nekkid displaying it in a non PG area without acting offensive I don't really care.

When something is an AR able offrence there are 3 possibilities.

Nothing happens because no one is feeling offended.

One party AR's the other because they have been genuinely and stupidly offensive to them.

Or some kooky nosey third party AR's the person/s breaking the rules because they either find it offensive or are just a stick in the mud wowser.

Disneyfication is going to happen eventually to most of the grid, no point fighhting it, many will probably make a lot of money from it in the long term, as mor bums on seats means more cash. We can't base our economy mainly on sex forever, especially if we continue to encourage non-contributing players.

Does it mean SL will become "Orwellian" 1984 Roleplay? Only if the majority of players want it that way.

Here is a major, chilling concern I have about all this, should all or part of this Orwellian stuff actually come to fruition: How is the sender supposed to know whether or not the intended recipient of a "communication" is on adult soil or not? What if it's the host or hostess for an adult club sending out a group IM - and half the members are wandering Disney-topia when the IM goes out? This just, to me, seems like another mechanism for suppressing the advertising of adult content.

Right about now, I'm all for us all getting shitfaced drunk and smearing each other with pie!

dammit, Immy... it's just not fair anyway you look at it! next time, make sure that pie comes with EVERY choice!

I'm not sure I see the concern here.

Unless, as seems very unlikely, LL is going to start not merely monitoring IMs, but checking them out against where they are received, I just can't see this becoming an issue. As for ARs, I'd take membership in an adult content group to imply consent to this kind of material, and I'd personally, were I part of governance, have very little sympathy for someone who was a member of such a group, but decided to complain, regardless of where they were when they received it.

Until I see a lot more evidence of "Orwellian" intent on LL's part, I am not going to worry too much about this kind of thing. For one thing, what on earth makes you imagine, given the current evidence, that LL is NEARLY competent or efficient enough to manage this kind of social control?

Simple,

If they take away the right to say Fcuk, they take away the right to say Fcuk Linden Lab.

FULL

I would say that falls under the need for an AR to begin with. Considering, to get this IM, you'd have to be either in a group or friends with this host(ess). Doing so, you have already indicated that the content this person is offering is welcome to you and are less than likely to consider the announcement unsolicited to the point of reporting it. (^_^)y

Bajoran, I think. They definitely need more Klingons involved and fewer of those mealy-mouthed mind-meddlers.

Bajoran, I think. They definitely need more Klingons involved and fewer of those mealy-mouthed mind-meddlers.
A really really depressed bot. Marvin Linden.

Mommy, Mommy! That man said a Bad Word!

Oh, FFS. Mute the moron and get on with your life. It's not worth the time to prepare the AR or even read the canned email response LL will send you for your trouble.

This is about stuff like open chat and signage and such - IMs aren't "on" a region..

perhaps they'll bring someone in from hipihi. I heard that they turf/ban anyone who mentions tibet.

I can't verify this as i never managed to work out how to log in during the beta and haven't been back since. If I ever do manage to get in then I'll let you know how the monitoring goes

Competency, or lack thereof, has never been a factor in LL deciding to do anything in the management of SL, especially in social and governance issues, the current Zindra escapade being sufficient evidence.