Tricked again by a subscriber

It ought to be easier to unsub. I get one or two notices from places I could care less about also, all because I clicked on the wrong thing before it rezzed, while shopping or hunting.

(Serenity: Not all things are clearly labeled, either, which is part of the OP's complaint.)

Having a SLurl of where to go to unsub, at the bottom of every notice, would be ideal.

LMAO! Didn't pay attention? Didn't read up on things? LMAO! do you read up on things before you click a subscriber? I doubt it because you know you can always simply click it again and be unsubscribed.
There was noting to read up on! There are no unsubscribe instructions of the vendor and NO unsubscribe options on the popup before OR after signing up so why do you say that? Nothing you click on in SL should trap you into an hour ordeal trying to find out to unsubscribe. ***A simple unsubscribe OPTION on the popup (like all subscribe-o-matics) would legitimize this company's service to vendors and cause a lot few problems*** BUt then I've said all this several times and I will quit repeating myself to those who are biased in defending this thing, and resort to unwarranted personal insults..

I've already explained why I think it's bad business they way it's handled. Folks keep saying "it's all right there on how to unsubscribe and it's not." It may be a great system for shoppers and merchants but not the way it's set up. Agree to disagree but don't make insinuations that I didn't read or somehow it's my fault..I've only been posting for how long on the fact that I DID read and the information is not there in world....meet me in world and you show me where it says how to unsubscribe (immediately after subscribing, not when products are delivered) on the kiosk and where the unsubscribe link is on the pop up. You show that to me and I'll eat crow for supper.

IN SL, I should not have to worry about clicking ANYthing that entraps you into a system that hides the unsubscribe feature intentionally. So me being click happy is a strawman argument.

Alright you guys keep disregarding the genuiness of my post//I'm off the thread.

I would never have mentioned the device's name but an agent for the device just posted what it was and disclosed that they'd talked to me in IM..don't blame me on that one. I would have never disclosed it.

Thank you to the agent who IMed me in world and addressed my concerns. They were quite polite.

Next time I have a problem or question, I'll ask friends in-world.

Yes it says you can unsubscribe form any kiosk but it doesn't say HOW, nor does it have an unsubscribe option. Why is this hidden? I wouldn't call that clear instructions LOL. It's obvious some here use this device and are defending it for those reasons without regard to the facts of what I've said, which is why I wanted unbiased opinions until the agent for the device disclosed our in-world chat after which, things got a little testy.

LOL...last post..problem handled.......have fun with it.

I just checked in world. When you cick it tells you what you are currently subscribed to and to click that channel's button again to unsubscribe.

And it is not like a wayward click can get you subscribed. You have to also chose a channel. The first misplaced click can simply be ignored. And of course once you do click a channle, the menu changes to show what you are subscribed to and to click again to be removed.

RTFM

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DSN is a cool network. You are the first person I know of that has had a problem with it.

You need to click the sign then pick a channel, then you receive one item for each designer in that channel. So it was more then an mis click as you claim. The DSN Network is a wonderful item as a store owner and shopper. I have found many store I may not have ever found, as well as gained customers.

Because I had time and was curious, I searched for and found a DSN Kiosk.

I found a "Designer Showcase Network Kiosk C" @

Now I don't know if there are different models or this has changed but the newest creation date on "Inspect" was THU May 07 15:57:22 2009, on this particular kiosk.

After going around the menus and subscribing and unsubscribing (from info in this thread), no where could I see any any info on how to actually unsubscribe, nothing in the chat, no IM's from the Kiosk, and nothing in the menus themselves that say how to actually unsubscribe.

There was both in open chat and in the dialogs the website to go to for help.

However, some people like to keep their IP separate from their in-world Avi, especially with a static one, and/or easily tracked to a RL identity, so going to a outside website is out of the question.

As a matter of good customer relations I think perhaps someone from DSN should re-assess how the unsubscribe info is given out, ideally in the same dialog that shows you what you are subscribed to.

Oh, was it DSN? I thought it was a store or network other than DSN. Maybe you join the network with one click but then pick a category after that. I don't know - and I like getting the stuff so I don't plan to unsub from DSN but if I did want to, I wouldn't know how. Lol

I'm sure I missed the reason you clicked on the thing in the first place, but you should really consider yourself thankful that it was a DSN subscriber you clicked on, and not some griefer tool. Given your avatar age, you should know better by now than to go around blindly clicking on things in-world.

True. I have a lot of respect for the DSN. I clicked the one in my store to check( I am very glad to be a part of this plan as it is a very good variant from many spammy designer groups, which can and do offer dozens of notices per day, many of them full of sub-standard freebies. DSN offers one per channel. If that disrupts your life unintentionally, you are a bit soft I think. Grow a dick.). Hunts dont work, unless you want a shop full of freebie hunters. I get good feedback from DSN members. This is very much an opt-in system. I've checked- I have a subscription group also, and few join it by accident, despite it being one click. To join the DSN, you need to agree to several steps. I really don't want to be rude, but truly..have some responsibility for where you click.

I think the problem, Ian, is that you came here slamming a system that many people here actually like, content creators included. Don't get mad because people don't agree with you, it happens. Next time, take the time to read before you click and then choose a channel and click again...and if you want to be mad, be mad at the subscribers that just spam you because you happened to walk within a few feet of them.

Wow Kira thanks. Someone who is unbiased. One person that actually took the time to verify what I was saying instead of biased knee jerk reactions defending their favorite content giver while flaming me personally.

These peeps know darn well it doesn't tell you how to unsubscribe; they're just too busy defending the thing and advertising for it to ever admit that.

And as for the rude comments and other childish flames that "I should have known better" and defending your interest in this thing...grow up...very few people here ever responded to the issue of how this thing takes your name and doesn't let you unsubscribe because you were too busy defending the device because you like it...which is completely irrelevant to the shady way in which it works.

I don't care how many are subscribed to this device - that's easy without an unsubscribe option.

Whether you LIKE it is irrelevant. I took issue with a silly object for goodness sake and how it works. You guys love flaming individuals. I've seen it before here too often. It's disgusting. Totally disgusting. The maker disclosed publicly that they had spoken to me in world and divulged the NAME of the device and the fact that they spoke with me. THAT is an invasion of my privacy when they KNEW I did not want to divulge the name in public.
I won;t forget that.

I won't be back to these forums ever. And I know several others that have had it with personal attacks here. Bye now

I agree, I love it - particularly the furniture and plants etc - but I unsubscribed from Clothes and Accessories after a few weeks as nothing I received suited me (and a batch of irritating demos didn't help).

"PS: if it is DSN, you need to click then choose the channel you wish to join (for whatever type of samples you would like to receive). To unsubscribe from that channel, you simply need to click it again."

This wasn't made clear anywhere - after finding and standing in front of a terminal and clicking around for a bit I discovered how do it by trial and error.

Like much of SL, it's utterly baffling at first but quite easy when you get the hang of it.

my point wasn't about whether it was easy to unsubscribe, I agree, it is not clear. My point was that you have to go through steps in order to subscribe in the first place. It's easy to blame everyone else but when you click on the box a menu comes up and you have to CHOOSE one of the categories on the menu. We all make mistakes and join groups/etc that we didn't intend to from time to time, we are human after all. But don't blame the conductor because you forgot to buy a ticket. and PS: I see opinons posted but the only flames I see are coming from your general direction.

Thanks for the (mostly) constructive feedback. We will look into a "unsubscribe all" function. The problem is that the space in the blue menu is limited, and multipage-selections tend to confuse users. But if it is really considered a problem, it can probably be enhanced. We'll see what we can do.

My Venue/store subscriber is fine and lets you unsubscribe there also I tell ppl when I send out the rare messages to IM me to take you off the list so you don't have tp and locate it.
So I wouldn't be dissing the subscriber system it certainly helps with the group's being limited, it also depends on who sends out messages and if they spam you ...so to each his/her own.

I glad Ian's problem got cleared up.

DSN and Hippo have opt-IN systems, so the lesson here is read before you click I guess.
I like these for announcements about events. It eliminates a group space.

Oy vey! Overreact much?

You may have had a point about the DSN subscription system. I don't know, personally, because I've never tried unsubscribing. But your problem here, what drew such a strong reaction, was not your message, but your delivery. If you had come in here and posted your concerns in a calm, controlled manner, there wouldn't have been any issue. Instead, you came in here fists swinging and accusations flying - and, even then, things didn't get "ugly" around here until you called someone out on an accusation that wasn't, accused the device creator of malicious intent, and got snarky with people trying to figure out what all the fuss was about! If anybody was behaving childishly around here, it was you!

As for the device's maker outing himself and his discussion with you - what did you expect? Anybody who'd been around the SL block a few times knew exactly what you were talking about. Your description of the service was so concise that most of us figured out what you were talking about even before Peter jumped in. You were in here unfairly bashing his products and accusing him of malice. Just because you didn't "name names" does not justify what you did. Peter had every right to come in here and defend his product and service against your inflammatory accusations. How would you feel if someone came in here and, without naming names, described you to a "T", leaving no doubt in anyone's mind who he or she was talking about, and accused you of all sorts of nasty things?

As I said, you may have had a point about what appears to be a design flaw in the system. Nobody had an issue with that. But your entire approach to discussing it was way off base. If you cannot read back through your posts and see that, then perhaps it *is* best that you leave the forums.

and their website is the only one that both IE and Firefox had kittens at me when I tried to go there because it doesn't use a certificate on their lists of acceptable ones. It's the only time in all the years I've been sloping around the web that I've had that happen.

and DSN don't advertise the fact they have an adult channel - despite charging us the same price for the box as the others. At the moment there are two adult content providers for the channel (me and one other) and around 300 subscribers (last time I looked). As for effectiveness (again the last time I looked) despite every subscriber being sent my item I only got one visitor and that was a friend of mine who came over to check out the zindra shop. I need to track down the other merchant and find out if they've had any more luck with it.

and if you forget your password to the site you have to rez a new server to get the reset password button as it only shows up on first rez.

apart from all this I'm sure it's a valuable marketing tool for non adult content people.

wow its just a DSN not the next world war....so what if it doesnt have an unsubscribe option clearly stated..who frigging cares...I certainly dont and neither does any of the subscribe individuals. Learn not to take things so damn seriously not everything in this world is a scam.