Go from Mainland to estate

That definitely works both ways and I have a foot in both camps so I'm certainly not biased either way.

As was pointed out a few posts up, they have to stay at 75% capacity to break even - so they have a vested interest in pointing out "issues" with mainland.

At the end of the day though, if you're on estate you're only security is the personal whims of the landowner. If you get lucky, those whims will always or mostly align with your interests. But nothing guarantees that - not even good research. Humans change their minds.

On mainland, you are dealing less with personalities, and more with neutral policies - you have predictability in one sense. You know what you can control and what you can't. You can control where you are and what you've got. You can't control who buys next to you. managing your neighbors on mainland is the same game as managing the relationship you have with your landlord on estate - except that on mainland you have to juggle that more people. But you're also not juggling from a subservient position.

On mainland Linden largely ignores you. That can be good if you're happy with your situation. It can be bad if you aren't. On an estate - its again about the human dynamic and the personality of the person you're renting from.

You may want the human touch - the juggling of personalities, over a 'faceless uncaring policy.' If that is the case, go for estate. If you'd rather not have to work someone in order to work with them, go for mainland.

I have often said that this is the case, you only have to listen to some people on Concierge chat to know this is true.

I think you have put this better than I would have and agree with it 100%

On mainland you are also dealing with personalities. They are called neighbors, and their actions are generally far more whimsical than what one will encounter if one researches and carefully selects estate land. Ultimately, a good estate owner will shape policies to serve the long term viability of the estate and there is a greater degree of predictability in that conduct than in the neighbor that decides one day that they want to raise 3 dozen sion chickens for their own amusement without regard to how it impacts on everyone else in the region.

On mainland, unless the only solution you are willing to pursue is to pack up and leave or just suffer in silence while a neighbor engages in behavior that is problematic for you, you're also going to have to work with them.

It has been my experience that LL have removed lag inducing objects that majorly impact sim performance upon request, sometimes you just have to wait and be a little persistent at times.

Stipend? it's like $1.50 US, wouldn't miss it at all.
Make sure you are going to rent through a responsible landlord who's been in SL for a good amount of time, rather than someone who's either a noob or an alt for the purpose or ripping people off. There have been a few sharks around who will took lump sum moneys for 10 weeks rent, once they filedl the sim then sold it to an alt and kicked everyone out and rented it again.
Don't be fooled into putting down large sums to bu land, because you are only renting. If you want to buy stick to mainland or buy an Island from LL direct, then it's yours forever unless LL go down the gurgle.
There are a heap of great Landlords about renting estate land, look for them. You can also rent on mainland too.

That was really just one example of many issues one has to deal with regarding neighbors on mainland. Aside from that, Linden Lab will only remove lag inducing objects when they are coming from a single neighbor, not when it is an aggregate unintended effect from multiple neighbors. All joking aside, the sion chicken and LL's current policy of capping overall psion chicken usage to ONE HUNDRED sion chickens per region illustrates a problem with that solution. It also doesn't address other sources of lag which although only periodic are consistent enough to be a major problem, such as an events venue which not only may lag the sim but actually prevent a land owner from entry onto their own land.

That's perfectly fine, and that's precisely the point.

We aren't doing sneaky underhanded moves in the night. Every time there is turbulence the residents win a little bit, whatever the situation, because we either eat tier or give a bit of advantage. Or the residents leave.

Gabriele, residents should be warned about this? Oh please. Nobody's getting a raw deal from Ayesha.

And in Caledon, it's not happening _at all_. I'm sure this will be seen as arrogant, but if the economy gets so bad that I have those kinds of problems in Caledon, god help the rest of you.

As an aside, I'm not even *in* the concierge group.

Why all the estate bashing today?

Well for me the choice always has been simple. After half a year of mainland, I moved to estate and never regretted that move. For Europeans, estate is simply cheaper because we save on the VAT part. If you choose your estate owner wisely, with some research, you are as safe as you are with LL.

Once I went for a cheap deal, and I got scammed out of a few thousand linden. For the rest I rented at established estates, and only once were ASKED for a move. They would not have done the changes they planned, if I would have said no. Right now I am renting a homestead, so I have nothing to do with relocating, and I do not need Estate Management, but I know the support from them is among the best.

My latest store is on mainland, and is moving towards Zindra. It would not surprise me that within a few months, I will move to estate with that business as well. Simply because an established Estate owner cannot be compared to LL as estate owner. For my payed rent, I get instant support.

Nobody said estate owners are being underhand necessarily, some might, some may have *good* reasons. Certainly nobody said *you* were being underhand. Not everyone eats tier nor give advantage in all circumstances, you and Ayesha might but that is not all estate owners and I have seen evidence myself of the customer being at a disadvantage in these moves on some estates.

Nobody said that anyone was getting a raw deal from Ayesha either - are you now making this stuff up? As for *informing* the renting public, yes I think they should be aware of these the possibility of this as an estate vs. buy mainland comparison, especially as it is becoming common.

Nobody said *you* were doing this either Desmond or that Caledon was seeing this problem, really you are reading far too much into my posts. I said *some*, not all, *some* were doing it and these were not fly-by-nighters as you would expect. Really I am surprised at you getting this defensive personally on this Desmond.

As for bashing, this is what mainlanders get almost *all* the time from estate owners on an ongoing basis, not pleasant is it?. However if you read back up, it is interesting my first comment was just an semi-humorous addendum to VonGklugelstein Alter's tongue-in-cheek post about going to estate from mainland. Yet once again my post is the one people go after. So if you want to know who is bashing who, read back.

I started getting serious on this topic along the same time the responses to me did.