any recourse for rudeness, inconsideration or veiled threats?

I was reading the thread about mainland build size and what is considered tasteful, and I had to pose this question. I apologize for being vague about the where-abouts of it, only because I don't want anyone on the sim to suffer more then they already have.

ok...

Once upon a time in SL, there was a quiet little sim filled with happy neighbors. As time went by, land changed hands, but still the happiness seemed to prevail. Until...

One day, one of the neighbors stopped being so happy and started acting peculiar. It started to buy up every spare parcel on the sim. At first it was just empty parcels that were up for sale, then it was "if you decide to move, sell ME your land". Now, it appears that the smaller "weaker" landowners with 1024 or less would come home to find themselves surround by towering walls on 2 sides or buildings that "just" went over the property border. One neighbor, who was surrounded on 3 sides, came home to find all the property around him raised so his was now in a "hole". Still, the majority of the neighbors stayed happy despite all this. Until...

One little land owner, only owning a 512, was minding her own, happy as can be building with the limited prims she had. She had a pretty little parcel on the top of the hill that had a nice view of a lake on one side and the rest of sim on the other. Now, mind you, the "unhappy" neighbor had purchased land that now surrounded her on 2 sides.. the longer sides of her 512. She came home one day to find this MASSIVE building built right up to her property line, totally dwarfing her 3 story home. This neighbor understandably got upset and sent IM's asking why, with ALL the land you own, did you have to build RIGHT on my property line? She was told by "that" neighbor that she owned the land and could do whatever she wanted with it. If she didn't like it, she could sell her the land, and also reminded the 512 owner that she was surrounded on both sides and she could start bulding their too if the 512 owner kept complaining. To everyone's surprise, this 512 owner dug her heels in and said she was not selling and raised her house to the sky. The big land owner then offered her "beach" property in exchange, which ended up being a 512 that was 1/2 water and right next to an ad lot with a big rotating "for sale" sign. The 512 owner graciously said no thank you, I like my spot on the hill. The MASSIVE building then started getting bigger and towering walls went up. Still, the 512 owner is standing strong. One of her "happy" neighbors even moved their house to the sky so the 512 owner wouldn't feel so alone up there. Now we wait for the next chapter to unfold...

Ok, my question.. is there ANYTHING that could be done about this? Does this 512 owner or the other landowners have any recourse or do they just have to sit back and take it and hope they don't get "bullied" out of their land?

Sadly, if the jerk neighbor keeps their build on their land, there's not much to be done.

While it is sortofa natural reaction to dig in and not move, there's a chance here for the good neighbors to make a little money and move somewhere nice. I'd make the jerk land owner pay for it, though.

edit: we're talking mainland, right?

/me needs to return to the mainland some time...

need to digup a thread...

I say way to go on standing up for your parcel and hindering the plans of said landowner. I can speak on the other side of the coin as i bought out 2 mainland sims before buying my own. I did not "bully" but i did buy up spare parcels for prims then eventually people were surrounded. I did not place nasty builds or tall buildings, and i asked if they were to leave if they would sell to me nicely.

The first sim named Capel was all water and we set up our shop here so whenever we gathered another parcel thats all it remained water, and the prims went for the shop. After that we bought out Scaroth and 1/2 of Gettler. Once the shop grew we decided to venture off and sell the parcels in favor of our own sim and estate controls.

I dont agree with the bullying tactics you are dealing with and feel you are making the right choice standing up for yourself . Eventually you will just get tired of it or stand your ground. I think he is counting on the first.

yes, its mainland. Oh, and the big landowner actually had the nerve to ask one of the other landowners if she could take down her walls, which were put up in retaliation to the big owners walls, and that she would take down her wall their also, so that any customers or visitors the smaller landowner had could go to her MASSIVE building :-/ And also if she would be so kind as to move her store closer to her MASSIVE building so as to share customers I don't think so Not removing my walls for anything.. even took them off phantom, and the other 2 sides that I'm surrounded on, I put up a nice ivy wall on one and a waterwall mural on the other. I have enough land that I can rearrange and play and not let the build bother me, personally, too much. I'm not going anywhere, not sure if the 512 owner will be able to hold out though or the guy in the "hole". Drats...there goes my vagueness...

Unfortunately, if the unhappy neighbor keeps her prims on her side, she ~can~ build how she wants.

However, I would reccomend no more IMs/chats with this individual. From what you have given, the purpose is clear. They want to own the sim and don't care how they get it. If prims/particles go onto your land, simply AR them and let LL handle it.

I have gone through this myself, on a smaller scale, and am also of the "I'm staying!" mentality. With the scope of the situation you are in, I would suggest thinking about if it's worth it to stay. If you love your place and view, then stay. Just concider the fact that you will be living next to this unhappy neighbor until they deciede to leave. That might be never.

If you do deciede to sell, make the unhappy neighbor pay through the nose for it. Set your land to sell for 50,000L$. If asked by the unahppy neighbor as to why so much, tell them it's to buy new land and get settled there. If they want the land so badly, they can pay for it.

If staying, the "just ignore it" rule works best. Simply ignore anything the unahppy neighbor does. Acting because of anything they do will give them the feeling they are pushing you back. A trick I've found with those "ugly blocking walls" is to put up antoher wall in front of it (on your land of course), but having it alpha textured with childish drawings that look like someone colored in crayon on the blocking wall *grins* This seems to really point out the juvenial behaviour well. Plus I find drawings like that pretty ^.^

Don't try to "over build" your unhappy neighbor. A fact I think you already realise from your move up. Prim-wars just get ugly and serve no real purpose.

Best of luck.
~Jessy

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Meade is right, as long as the "bully" remains within ToS, there is really no recourse for the smaller owners. Whatever they do, they should not resort to griefing tactics.

The 512 owner should place their parcel for sale, to anyone, for a VERY high price then mute the "bully" and go about her business. If the land sells then they will have more than sufficient L$ to purchase another parcel in a nicer place. Otherwise they have they can live in the sky while totally ignoring said bully.

The worst thing to do is to give the bully ANY reason to AR you.

Usually, there's nothing that can be done, but if it can be shown that the person is building so that people are forced to sell, then I think that something could be done. Showing it would need pictures; e.g. this is my place now, this is when the person reacted and built higher, I moved and this it my my place higher, this is the person's build reaction to my move. Also, logging conversations with the person might be useful.

Definitely price it high and consider moving into a skybox for the duration (or lifting your house up out of the way). Means you lose your garden if you have one but if someone is going to be an asshat make them pay through the nose for it.

There will sadly always be bullies of this nature. When I had a lot more land someone bought next door and started building a place to their tastes ... and started carping at me about what I was making (woodland, good trees, pretty but NOT neoclassical). Then he started sending his friend round to tell me I should take more notice of Gorean builds and it was time I was on my knees.

This is the wrong person to have said that to. LOL. (Though a lot of Gorean builds are indeed very pretty). I set my price and invited them to buy me out (an exhorbitant sum which these days would be seen as a complete bargain ... at the time I had a 1/2 sim and they wouldn't go as far as 65K!). They got bored in the end.

The principle still holds though. Don't give in to bullies .. far too much railroading goes on in this place.

QFT

you need not lose your garden. my last home was a polynesian affair with a wood-floored lanai stepping down to a separate grass covered, stone edged sky deck complete with pool, palm trees, etc. .... ALL IN THE SKY.

so take your house AND garden into the sky!

Hold your ground since many "bullies" of that type don't last. You'd be surprised at how many can't keep up the land tier fees. Greed even in a virtual world can change some for the worse. Enjoy the view up in the sky, ignore the grasping and take in the best that SL can offer.

I second that!!

A three storey house on a 512 is really good going on prim efficiency. Well done

If the little landowner decides to sell she should carve the land the big landowner wants into 16m lots and sell them a couple at a time to 10 different adfarmers

Not good news for the other nice neighbours though. Discontent breeds discontent. I say hold on. I think when people get this aggressive it's the start of the end of SL for them
I mean the large land owner, not you Tegg

you can go high, make walls to block out their walls, and ignore, mute and live peacefully alongside rude neighbors, or you are you can move.

Hi there all ---

I can't resist saying "thank you" to the prim efficiency comment (the 512 owner here) LOLOL Thanks Ace!

(...And it was a very light, non- blocky "3 story" house, with lots of windows so it didn't block peoples' views, I wish the bully would have the same consideration but I guess she wouldn't be a bully then).

Now it has become a tree house. Hi Giz! (waving)

Q for T...

This person won't last..wait them out...

hi.
for my own amusement i would like to purchase your friends 512 plot.

My guess is that you have what I would do in mind, Nina, but a 512 is a bit small for it, so maybe you haven't.

One small thing that readily springs to mind is, since the other people there are good neighbors, get them all to ban the person from their land. making it awkward for her to get around in the sim. It would only be a small annoyance, but my nature sometimes wants to hit back (within the rules) if I can.

The first piece of land that I bought isn't rectangular, and in the corner there's a 32m plot that was empty for long enough. Then suddenly a stack of 3 ads appeared above it. Because of the shape of my land, I surrounded the plot, so I built a tower using huge prims, to cover the ads. That was when I first met the neighbors, who got in touch to thank me.

A while later, the 32m person raised the ads above the tower, so I raised the tower to cover them again. Not long ago he IMed me, asking me to remove the tower because it is preventing him from having access to his land. It didn't - he has a very narrow funnel that he can fly down, and there is nothing in the rules to say that access must be mantained. I told him I could put ban lines up if he prefered, which would mean he'd have to negotiate a funnel from about 200m up. His ads are still there, out of sight of anyone, and I haven't heard from him since.

I approve of doing things the other way round, as long as it's within the rules, of course. I imagine that the neighbors in the OP's sim could take steps, especially with huge prims, that could lead to the 'offender' changing what she does.