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I'd like to see him stay too, just as I said. But the fact is the amount of misplaced posting in the forums is getting pretty out of hand lately. It's one thing to make a mistake. But it's quite another to insist that the rules are not important, which is what happened here.


First of all I didn't say a thing about who absolutely should or shouldn't do anything. All I said was maybe.

Second, I 100% stand behind my belief that it's in no one's best interest to have the rules broken. If you don't share that belief, that's up to you.


No, I will not do either of those things. It's up to all of us to do our part to make sure the forums remain organized and easily usable for all. When double posts and misplaced posts occur, there's absolutely nothing wrong with pointing it out. When someone reacts negatively to the very notion of rules, then there's also nothing wrong with suggesting that it might be for the best if that person moves on to an environment devoid of rules.


The rules weren't bent; the were broken. And the "example being set" is precisely the problem. I've seen good forums destroyed by this sort of thing many times.


Come on, Rhaorth. You know as well as I do, there hasn't been any Linden presence of note in these forums in years. It is up to all of us to do our part to keep things working here.

There is currently a Linden "looking into" improving the forums, and I wish her all the best. But she won't be able to do anything without all of our help.


Please keep the personal comments out of it. That was uncalled for, not to mention completely untrue. If you don't like me, don't read my posts. Fee free to mute me. But personal attacks have no place here. Kindly keep them to yourself.

OMG..........de ja vu!!!! LOL

You think? Bandwagon keeps a rollin'.

I love you chosen.. ok..not in the i wanna marry you way.. but in the you rock way. Go cuddle a teddy ^_^

(Not meant insulting..just..who doesn't like cuddling teddies? It freaking rocks.)
Anyway, there's no conspiracy.. just people sometimes take your matter of fact knowledge as looking down on them. Text is impossible to add inflection to properly, which can make many things be read with more feeling than it's meant, and also in ways it isn't meant.

Everyone cool down, and understand that Chosen very rarely means things personally. Having read hundreds of awesome posts, from many people, Chosen included, I can say that every post will offend someone in some way. The best course of action is always to just take it as it's written, and don't add more meaning to things unless they state their meaning or you ask about it.

Seriously, just..calm down, cuddle a teddy, and learn from each other about things everyone is knowledgeable about.

maybe you should heed your own advice and keep the personal comments out of it

oh and by the way I am not Kitty, not sure why you quoted my post and put her name....

*oh well*

Ok first of Chosen Mate i'm a Girl.

Nothing is gonna stop it i'm afraid people will carry on double posting even if it's by mistake or on purpose.

OMG RULES RULES RULES. Live a little Mate. It's never going too be competely organised and you will only stress yourself making it like that.

*shock Horror* I broke a rule oh dear i'm having a heart attack, again not the end of the world cause i broke a little rule never mind if it was by accident or on purpose.

I'm sorry i'm gonna have too stick up for Raorth on this, you need too stop preaching and take your own advice.

One you have attacked me not once now but twice, the first time i let it go. This time it's getting a little old and two if you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen. Grow up get a bloody life for christs sake.

Oh and another thing if he don't like being talked back too he should not start it i'm afraid Kiera.

Oh if anyone wants too see just how bitchy he can get i'll post his other problem with me here.

Ok first of Chosen Mate i'm a Girl.

Nothing is gonna stop it i'm afraid people will carry on double posting even if it's by mistake or on purpose.

OMG RULES RULES RULES. Live a little Mate. It's never going too be competely organised and you will only stress yourself making it like that.

*shock Horror* I broke a rule oh dear i'm having a heart attack, again not the end of the world cause i broke a little rule never mind if it was by accident or on purpose.

I'm sorry i'm gonna have too stick up for Raorth on this, you need too stop preaching and take your own advice.

One you have attacked me not once now but twice, the first time i let it go. This time it's getting a little old and two if you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen. Grow up get a bloody life for christs sake.

Oh and another thing if he don't like being talked back too he should not start it i'm afraid Kiera.

Oh if anyone wants too see just how bitchy he can get i'll post his other problem with me here.

Kagome, to my knowledge, we have only ever crossed paths twice before. The first time I helped you understand the results of a memory scan. I went far out of my way to help you interpret every single line of it, if you recall. I also suggested you buy a new PC, and even helped you pick one out in our second encounter, for which you appeared to be very grateful.

The only friction between us (before now) was in that first thread, when I asked you to punctuate your remarks, since your unpunctuated original post had been very hard to read. At the time, the thread had had an unusually low response rate compared to the number of views it had gotten, which suggested that a lot of people had clicked to read the first post, and then had given up and left soon as they realized it was hard to read. By suggesting that you punctuate, I was trying to help you get more responses. You decided to return the favor by throwing foul language at me, but you did begin to punctuate after that, and you did start getting more responses, just as I said you would. If you choose to view my comments, which did nothing but help you, as "attacks", all I can say is I think you should grow a thicker skin. They were nothing of the kind.

In any case, if you don't care about the rules, then I'll stand by what I said before. You shouldn't be posting here. In forums that are better moderated, those who repeatedly break the rules are forcibly removed. But since these forums are not actively moderated, all we can do is ask each other to do the right thing, which is what I was doing here. You can freak out over that and accuse me of things all day long if you like, but it doesn't change anything.

I never said i did not care for the rules i just said that people would not stop double posting, read things mate and i'm sorry if i have a short temper but i don't appriciate anyone just outright attack me, what gives you the right too critise anyone.

Kagome, I have not attacked you even once, let alone three times. I think I've explained that more than adequately by now. If you can't accept that, I'm sorry, but that's your decision.

As for what you did or didn't say about "liking the rules" or not, I'm sure you can appreciate that it was pretty difficult to figure out just what in the world you might have been trying to say in a post so chock full of sarcasm as your last one was. Clearly you didn't want that post to have been taken literally. You didn't literally have a heart attack, for example, right? You can't very well write a post like that and then expect "read things mate" to be a sensible defense when your meaning is unclear.

As for the subject of organization, no, it will never be perfect. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. On the whole, most people here do a great job of posting where they should, and of following the rules. That's what makes the whole thing work. When someone isn't doing those things, it's not unreasonable for others to point it out, and to ask for it not to happen. I spotlight such mistakes whenever I happen across them, as do many others who frequent this forum (and just about every other forum I've ever been involved with, as well). You're one of the very few who has ever gotten so bent out of shape over it. I'm sorry if you don't like having your actions criticized. But as long as you keep ignoring the rules, SOMEONE is going to call you on it (that someone happened to be me in this case). If that makes you uncomfortable, then as I said, perhaps you'd be happier somewhere else.



Rhaorth, I do follow my own advice. At no time in this thread did I make any personal comments whatsoever. It is not personal to reference the rules, nor is it personal to point out that if someone doesn't want to follow them, he or she would be better off elsewhere. That's a far cry from what you said to me, which absolutely was personal. I'm sorry you can't see the difference. I hope you'll at least try. If you can't, then I'm afraid we have nothing more to say to each other.




Keira, thanks for the kind words. Just so you know, I very much had wanted to say that to you earlier, but I hesitated to do so for two reasons. First, I was really hoping the thread would just die if I left it alone. Second, I was a little afraid that if I acknowledged your comments while tempers were still running hot, the flame throwers might end up swinging toward you, and the anger-mongers would try to burn you in addition to just me. I didn't think that would be fair to you, so I kept silent, again in the hope that the thread would just die. But since it didn't die, I don't want you to feel like I'm only responding to the negatives and not the positives, or that I don't appreciate what you said. So once again, thank you.

You may not have mad personal comments about me in the this thread but you did previously about my grammer, yes i have a slight learning problem which i'm trying too overcome but that does not give you any right too start ordering me around and telling me how too do things.

I don't even know you so why the hell would i not answer back the way i did. I just bet many in my position would have done the same.

Um Duh that is what sarcasm is you idiot and just because i get a little touchy still never gave you the right too start on me again like last time.

And i never said we should not try but the way you talk and act is unbelivable, you really must think high of yourself. God i have never met a person so arrogant in my life. Not everyone is perfect and we all make mistakes but we learn from them. Just learn too lighten up a little, i mean you are not a Linden so that gives you no right too start preaching too others. If more than one is unhappy then they are welcome too say so but nothing has been said about me posting twice other than you and just so you know i will not be leaving any time soon.

Oh and another thing if you actually spent less time criticising people and being more polite people would like and appriciate you more.

I said thank you for the help with my PC as you well know and i do appriciate the help but still you had too make another comment. I would not have burned or flamed Keira as you put it, she has helped me a couple of times and i give thanks too her for that, i never judge people by there friends.

Look, I had two, and only two, reasons for mentioning the grammar. The first, which I've said several times now, was to try to help you get more responses than you were getting at the time. That part worked.

The second was to try to make things a little easier on myself, since I'd already committed to answer your questions. When a post is hard to read, answering its questions properly is even harder. Ironically, while things did get easier in the sense that your posts became easier to read, the situation also became immeasurably more difficult, since you decided to get so angry over it. And that was entirely your decision, not mine.

Nothing I said was in any way a criticism of you as a person. Again, I'm sorry you can't separate the two concepts. But as I said, how you choose to look at things is your decision, and has nothing to do with me.

I realize now that the grammar thing seems to be a sensitive issue for you, to put it mildly. So of course I regret having (inadvertently) pushed that particular hot button. But you have to understand and accept that it was not done with any malicious intent whatsoever. Even if I'd wanted to get under your skin (which I never would), how would I possibly have known in advance that that would be the way to do it? Is it really that hard for you to accept that I honestly was trying to help (and still am)?


I'm sorry to learn of your disability, and I'm glad to hear you're working to overcome it. But kindly don't take your frustrations out on me.

For the record, I never "ordered" you to do anything. I couldn't even if I wanted to. You're under no obligation to listen to anything I have to say. You can choose to ignore me any time you want.

Again, the ONLY thing I ever did was try to help you. If you choose not to believe that, then I'm sorry for you. But I will not apologize for my actions here. If anyone is to apologize, it should be those who have been swearing, name-calling, and launching personal slurs. None of those things were done by me.


You really need to ask why? How about simple niceness? Or if that doesn't work for you, how about the desire to appear mature and in control of yourself?

Even if I were completely in the wrong (which I wasn't), did you really think lashing back so angrily and offensively would improve the situation? If you really think you're right, you should have no problem taking the high road. Generally once a discussion has become an argument, name-calling and swearing is the hallmark of someone who's pretty sure she's wrong, but can't bring herself to admit it, wouldn't you agree?

Bottom line, when you know you're right, there's never any need for such behavior. It's the stuff of children, really.


I don't think so.


You're calling me names, but I'm the one who "started on you"? Wow.

Look, as I said, WHENEVER I happen across posts that are out of place, I point them out. It's not about you.



Again with the name calling. And you say the way I talk is "unbelievable"? Again, wow.

I'd encourage you not to mistake conviction for arrogance. When I believe in a principle, I'm not shy about standing up for it. Whatever my own level of arrogance might or might not be, it cannot and does not play any part in any discussion of principle because principles are not about me. They're much bigger and more important than I am.

In this particular case, the relevant principle happened to be that rules of the forum are vital to its continued usability. After I pointed out that you'd broken the rules, you then asked why it was a big deal, so I told you. I'm sorry you didn't like the answer, but I didn't invent it. It is what it is. It's not for me to change it.


Great, so when you make the mistake of double posting, and someone points out that it's against the rules, learn from that mistake, and don't do it again. Surely you must realize that when you lash out angrily at the messenger, you imply you're not the least bit interested in accepting the message. That's a mistake in and of itself, which only serves to compound the original. If you're interested in learning, I hate to have to tell you this, but rejecting information just because you don't like it is the exact opposite of learning.


Right back at you. Again, I'm not the one who's going around name-calling and swearing. I've simply presented facts and suggestions. If you don't want to accept either, that's up to you, but there's no need for such outbursts.


What does being a Linden or not being a Linden have to do with anything? If I caught you about to crash your car, and I offered you advice both on how to drive better, and on why you should, would your reaction then be, "You're not a Ford employee, so you can't tell me how I should operate my Ford vehicle"? Or would you realize that the question of who my employer is or isn't has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that I just saved your life?


Probably because they didn't want to evoke another angry outburst from you after they witnessed the one you threw at me.

Plus, there's generally not much need to repeat a thing, once it's already been said. I just happened to be the first to say it this time. Sometimes others do get there first.


Good. I do hope that means you'll be following the rules from now on, and that you'll refrain from the foul language, the name-calling, and the other various insults you've been slinging around.


This again coming from the person who's been swearing and name-calling. As I said a few times already, wow.

Look, I have not discourteous to you in any way. I've offered you help each time you've requested it, I've answered every question you've asked, I've gone above and beyond by offering you insight into why you weren't getting as many responses as you should have in the beginning, and I've been exceedingly patient with you by not retaliating in kind to your barrage of insults. I'll admit I'm disappointed that this is how you've chosen to handle the situation, but even now I'm being perfectly civil about it. If you don't consider all of that to be polite, then your definition of the word must be quite a bit different than the standard.


Yes, it was a comment designed to help you further. How many times must I keep repeating that?


Glad to hear that. I think you can understand why I wasn't comfortable making that assumption, given the level of anger you've expressed so far, but I'll take your word for it.

Where did I say you made a personal comment in this thread? I have seen you post many times and each time I cringe, because I feel bad for the person on the receiving end of your comments. You may not realize it but you do come across as very aggressive and for some it will feel and seem as though you are personally attacking them. I am not going to go combing through the forums to prove my point. Either you see it or you do not.

oh and for the record Chosen I did not attack you personally, I merely pointed out an observation, doing no more than what you do when you point out errors and observations to others.

I would suggest that you stop, read your posts before you hit enter, then stop, and step back, and read them again, but the second time read them as though you are the target. Then and only then, if you feel that you would not be upset by such a post if you were indeed the target, then hit enter.

and on that note, I think I will agree with you, we have nothing more to say to one another.

Good. I'm glad we can agree on that much, at least. I cordially invite you to mute me so that you will never again have to "cringe". You'll miss out on a lot of good information, but I'm sure it will be worth it if you really feel that strongly about it. Clearly, you've been thinking about this for a long time now. Since I won't be hearing from you again, best of luck to you.

Ok *sigh* thats it i've finally had enough you obviously don't think about what you might say will upset someone. So i'm just gonna let it drop.

I think it might be best Chosen that if you see me post something you ignore it, you obviously don't like the fact that I can and will talk back about your little comments.

Don't get me wrong i've had people flame me before over trivial things but we have let it slide after both saying our pieces, so like Rhaorth said look back on your old posts and see how you word things, you may not think you are attacking but they might feel that you are but don't have the courage too say anything back.

Like i said let it drop now ok cause i'm bloody going too end up with a migraine at this rate. Oh and a quick thing i won't be leaving the forums at this current moment, i've had alot of help on here and will continue too ask questions, so u aint gonna drive me away.

You guys know that you are pretty sick, or?
Read back this thread, the least problem there is the double post.
God, I can't believe that.

*looks curious*

What do you mean Georg?

What I mean? You should know that best.
This thread starts with a very interesting question, but like so many threads in this forum, it got totally useless after only a few posts. In this forum are so many selfmade VIPs that try to hold the forum clean, but they destroy more then they help.
Have you (or one of this pseudo moderators) ever tried to search this forum for something? You have to go through pages of total pointless vapouring to find something.
I had a look at some of this troublemakers posts and half of them are usefull help but the other half is stupid and useless.

Well and now i did one of this useless posts too, not good

The way this should have been handled....

Chosen: You double posted.

Everyone else: OK, but it wasn't that bad. We'll try not to do it again. Or at least we'll wait 2 days between posting the same thing in a different board.

Chosen: Cool.

Instead we got:

Chosen: <Extensive lecture>

Everyone else: <Natural negative response>

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Wishful thinking.

Even when politely asked to put things in the right place, some people take it personally because even though they can't moderate themselves or somehow reach the same judgment, they expect to not ever be told that they did something wrong. They do not care about the usability experience for everyone else. At its heart, it's disrespectful to all of us, and I understand where Chosen is coming from.

And some people continually ask content-based questions in here even though they've been asked to put those questions in the right forum. For whatever reason, it doesn't dawn on them to ask a texture question in texturing tips, or scripting questions in scripting tips, etc. I understand the tendency to post here since RA is more active, but that doesn't make it right, nor does it necessarily help them if inarticulate or incomplete answers are given here.

We now have newbies asking RA-style questions in the SL Live Helper forum. It's becoming a real mess.

Sigh. Yeah that's me. A thinkful wisher.

If this forum weren't called "Resident Answers" it would improve the granularity of the other ones. It simply sounds like this is the only one. And wth is "Texturing"? (OK, I design clothes so I know. But it's not really very descriptive of what it's about.)

But I also think ppl get wound up too much about protocol. What's really needed is ACTIVE moderation that MOVES threads where they belong.

Oh I also like pie. Banana cream!

These newbie mistakes happen from time to time. There are three ways for the regulars to deal with them.

1. "Welcome to our forum! It's good to have you here, what you said is interesting. You shouldn't feel bad because you didn't know, but usually typing in all caps symbolizes shouting so you probably don't want to do it."

2. "Typing in all caps symbolizes shouting and is considered to be rude, please don't do it here."

3. "Hey jerk! Stop shouting!"

Then there are three way the newbie can respond.

1. "Oh I'm so sorry I didn't realize, Thanks for telling me so I won't make that mistake again."

2. "OK"

3. "It's not rude, you're just mean."

Chosen, who I think she is one of the most knowledgeable and helpful people here, didn't seem particularly mean to me.

lol i see what your saying i can get a little ahead of myself, i did apologuise for my double post and explained why i did. In future i will wait a couple of days too post a question again.

He could of handled it much differently, he did not poliltily say that i posted double by accident he basically told me off like i was a little child, i think that is my main problem when people treat others below themselves.

He may have been here alot longer than me but he still does not need too lord over all of us and i think he may just think alot of himself too. Read this below.



Like i said he thinks alot of himself, he has some good advice on here don't get me wrong but most of it like Georg said is cringe tastic mess.

Anyway thats what i think lol. I'll just be more careful in future ok.

He handled it just fine until you rolled your eyes and complained about the rule.

If you read the post i placed where i did roll my eyes i did apologise for posting twice and explained why i did and I’m sorry but I’m right on this one people have on numerous occasions posted a question twice i've seen the posts.

You can't not expect me too answer back about this when others are blatantly doing the same and having nothing said too them about it.

So i rolled my eyes, he was over reacting on something so trivial he could have just politely explained that i not post twice not dictate it too me. I know i am in the right on this one, i've asked numerous people on this and they all say the same. He overreacted.

I am not going to let someone who thinks he can control the forums tell me what too do I’m sorry but we are all entitled too our own opinions and he could have said it differently. Like i said this is not my first dealing with him.