Opinions needed on a situation

I'd AR the twit for running a gambling operation, and give the loot to a worthy inworld cause, NCi or something like that, or hand it out to random new people.

I agree with that......the time to be moral would have been when you first realized the mistake.....but since you kept playing....knowing full well you were 'getting away with something'.....why bother to tell the guy at all. Gambling was banned in SL.....this guy can't exavtly whine to LL about it......and you can't exactly cry morality here....so drop it.....take your false winnings and move on.

You should pay back the money you think is not rightfully yours, to the person you think it rightfully belongs to.

Give the money back. Always try to do the right thing even if the person you are deadling with is an asshat.

As for continuing to play, I can understand that. Sometimes you wonder if there really is a bug or maybe you're just lucky. Sometimes you just want to double check to make sure the problem happens continually and wasn't a one off. Don't feel bad about replaying the game, but be nice, even to idiots.

Note: Can't say I always follow the letter of this guideline, but give it your best shot anyway.

This guy sure didn't make it easy for you to do the right thing, but yeah, the right thing is to give the money back. We all know that he's going to think "what a sucker!" when he hears the big "ka-ching", but that doesn't matter and no amount of explanation would make him think otherwise.

In the long run, he won't go far. A fool and his money, etc. This time it was only L$9K. Wait until the games scripter flips that remote switch that sucks dry all the casino operators' L$ balances.

Gambling feeds off greed. People who gamble and people who run gambling joints know the risks, as each tries to scam the other. It's an age old practice. I say since this particular practice is outlawed in sl, whatever you paid in keep and donate the remainder to some place in sl that you and others can visit and enjoy. Notecard the owner, telling him what you've done and tell him it's his little contribution to the environment of sl. Retain a notecard and all his responses for any fallout. Be the conscience of the gambling fraternity.

First. I got no moral views on gambling. Its your money; you can spend it any way you choose.

Second. If there is even a tiny element of skill, then technically its not gambling and thus not illegal. (but, if if the "luck" element depends on which numbers come up, then it is possible for the owner to set the machine so that the chances of winning are much smaller than they should be. So be careful)

Third. I always like to hear both sides of a story. I would have liked to hear the owners version of events as well.

Finally. In answer to your question. If you were as honest as you say and the owner was as rude and threatening as you say, then give your winnings to charity and tell him that you have done so.

Alright... first of all folks... the machine/game the OP was playing is "LL approved/allowed" or however you want to word it, and NOT considered "gambling" in the legal eyes of Linden Labs.

I was online when this all went down. I do NOT know the OP. But I was able to view a group chat that most gaming place owners belong to, when this went down. The game owner in question did NOT become involved in the chat. A friend of said gaming owner came running into the group exploding about what happened, named the OP in this group chat and went on to moan and groan on behalf of friend who is the gaming owner at fault.

90% of the FELLOW GAME OWNERS... immediately shot back stating it was the gaming owners fault for not checking their machines. That gaming owner (through said friend), stated they had too many machines to check each one.

Well then the game owner should buck up and shut up and admit it was an honest mistake. Not to mention be grateful they didn't lose their prospective booties! Blaming a player for something you did wrong to begin with, is gonna shut your business down faster then anything else. Word of mouth travels fast here and that screams "dishonest" owner, for not admitting their mistake.

To the OP... how about offering back half the winnings and calling it even?! As for blacklisting you to ALL gaming owners... read what I wrote above and think again.

Good luck!

You mean the gamblers who lost the 9000L to the casino owner in the first place?

Whether it's "legally gambling" or not, these games wouldn't still be in operation if they weren't massively biased against the players in the first place.

Depends what "illegal" means. The UIGEA doesn't define gambling at all, leaving it up to existing laws of states and localities--which pretty much means that if a game would be considered gambling anywhere in the US, it's going to be a problem. (Note that one of the law's main targets is online poker, which requires a hell of a lot more skill than these thinly veiled SLot machines.)

But it's not the gambler, nor the gaming operator, nor even Linden Lab that will get a visit from the Feds, once the UIGEA is actually enforced; rather, it's the US credit card companies and PayPal--the lifeblood of LL's revenues. Last I read, they have until December 2009 to comply, despite the act becoming law back in 2006. Once real enforcement starts, it seems likely that G-Team's lax and capricious interpretation of "skill" will evaporate overnight--along with all the gaming machines.

If, however, I were the sort to wager, I'd bet that before that happens, the game scripters will realize the jig is up. And then the casino operators will learn what PERMISSION_DEBIT actually means, with whatever they haven't yet cashed-out or transferred to alts.

This has my vote.

I wd not AR the gambling though because u shd have known u werent supposed to be doing it- a little like the guy who calls the cops after a drug deal gone sour..

i "bet" in the loong end, you still lost more then you won, and he won more then he lost by this Mistake.


IMO: there's a group of people you never have to feel sorry for in any case, to name a few: pimp's, drug dealers and casino owners !


* indeed if you dont feel right about the L$ , donate it to a (RL) charity, im guessing they too are hurting in the current crisis



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Whenever a person makes a mistake on setting the price of their land FAR too low, most people agree that the buyer should sell back the land at the same price.

This sounds like a similar situation - someone made an obvious mistake so its wrong to take advantage of it.

I think you mean conscience, which is that thing people like George W. Bush very probably don't have, as opposed to consciousness, which is that thing people like George W. Bush shouldn't have.

it's gambling. the owner took a gamble, and lost. oh well. enjoy your win. too bad you stopped. you could have had 100k before it was all over.

next time, TP in all your friends!

also, don't worry about being banned. just bring your alt instead.

All the other game places? In the whole expanse of SL? I doubt it could be done. His mistake, keep the $L.

You couldn't be more wrong. All forms of gambling, including those involving skill (poker, chess, etc), are prohibited in the US. Additionally, so is gambling using a debt instrument (ie, credit card). There were attempts to legalize skill-based gambling online in 2007, however, these soundly failed.

Some states also expressly prohibit online gambling at the state level, while others allow licensed casinos only, and the law doesn't stop at the login screen. People seem to forget that local RL law still applies in SL (and I for one can't wait for a bunch of vendors to get nailed for operating businesses without a license and failing to report income as applicable... there's some days I wonder if I'm the only licensed business that isn't a multinational corporation in SL).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling#Legality

O RLY?

Most of the comments I've read on this topic over the years say that it's SELLER BEWARE and before you set land for sale you'd better check, recheck, and check your price again because there is no way to compel anyone in SL to reverse a transaction just because you screwed up.

Similarly, if you're going to set a scripted device out that's going to pay L$ out of your pocket whoever comes along based on some predetermined criteria, you'd better check, recheck, and check your scripts again. The game owner in this case was negligent in that regard, and if the statement credited to him that he has "too many" machines and is "too busy" to check them all is true, he is foolish as well.

Note that your average Linden isn't a lawyer.



Note that your average g-team member is not a lawyer.

The game being there despite LLs supposed banning of gambling - FAIL
Casino owner putting up flawed game - FAIL
OP gambling at all - FAIL
OP continuing to gamble after realising the game is flawed - FAIL
OP not telling all his friends about the flawed game - FAIL
OP telling casino owner his game is flawed - FAIL
Casino owner getting shitty with OP - FAIL
OP not giving some of the money back - FAIL
OP posting here about it - FAIL
Everyone else getting their panties in a bunch about it here - FAIL

But most of all

OP not saying (even if he lied) that he had given the money to charity thus giving himself the moral high ground - FAIL

I love it when pretentious people try to use clever words and spell them incorrectly. It makes them look twice as bad.

If IM's are capped, a notecard will still get through because it is inventory. Everyone who has any type of business in SL will always ask for notecards if their IMs get capped. The reason is that notecards will always make it through. Well.....in theory they will....lol.

First off, if the guy owns too many machines to check, that's hogwash. He was there when he set the score that low, wasn't he? You check it at the time you screw up, you're already dealing with the machine.

Secondly, since you stated that you realized very early on that it was too low, why'd you keep playing it? If you were that concerned about doing the right thing, that would have happened the instant you realized that he forgot the last 9. This whole post reeks of dishonesty.

Since the guy was such a jerk when you did inform him, I would do what other people had said, donate the winnings to charity. Relay For Life would be a good one.