Restricting adult content etc.

Hi,

On the basis that only Premium Acct holders can purchase land and that their credit card info is reasonable age verification, why not at least allow Premium Acct holders the option to be able to block viewing/camera operation into restricted access Mature land that they own? Oh, but... is someone gonna tell me this is already possible?? If so... how?

This would prevent anyone on the main grid from both seeing and stumbling across adult content unless the owner themselves had given permission by virtue of including a resident on their access list?

OK, this may not work for large sims or business but it might at least offer a simple degree of protection and security for the humble SL home/plot owner?

Dave.

Because Visa has said that their credit card infor is NOT reasonable age verification.

It is NOT. Credit Card companies have repeatedly stated that CCs cannot be used as verification of age. If they allowed it, the CC companies would then face the liability of use of cards by underage people. And credit cards can, have and will be granted to minors.

So please, will everyone just give up on credit cards as age verification.

<grumble>

Max

The UK passport office say that a passport is not an identity document. Neither the DVLA or the passport office would consider the numbers alone as a form of identity.

When we're faced with choices like this, it's patently obvious that credit card based verification is more secure.

Again, not sure what one has to do with the other, but...

Except that it's not, since you only have to be 16 years of age to get a Visa debit card with a checking account.

Credit card based Chip. Not credit card only. If Integrity are as good as they claim they'd easily be able to differentiate between a 16 year old and an 18 year old.

The UK national lottery site simply refuse to accept payment from cards that minors can hold.

Blocking Camera Views into Parcels is not possible as far as I know.

I had a passport before I was "of age" (and before the age of 16). The information I saw at the USA government website (been so long, can't remember which one) strongly advised not using passport numbers (though does not make it illegal to do so).

Had a drivers license before I was 16 . . .

Didn't have a credit card until I was . . what was I . . . I think 20.

In the UK a credit card, home address (which matches the card) and security code (rear of the card) are sufficient to allow the purchase of adult material from legitimate registered companies across the globe.

One must assume that these companies consider the above purchasing/verification process sufficiently reasonable to allow them to trade adult material across the globe (e.g. via web sites) without fear of breaking the law, etc?

It's not full-proof, sure, but doubtless "reasonable" enough for these companies to feel confident that adult goods/materials are not falling into non-adult hands (or eyes)?

Dave.

That works, yes, but Linden is handing out tripe about wanting go above the basic Sex Sites with their Data Mini....Verification Scheme.

No, because credit cards are the nearest thing to genuine age verification that exists.

So please, will everyone just give up on Integrity as age verification.

<grumble>

Bit they're not! They're just not!

Regardless of that, this is the choice that LL has made.

Good or bad, it's the choice they've made.

You saying that CCs are valid, whether they are or aren't, isn't going to change that.

I'm rather certain that they've done their homework on this company and have heard all the "Oh, they're going to sell our info" arguments and have, if I recall correctly, said that they were going to make sure this didn't happen.

But I don't use Visa.... I use Mastercard and as far as I know (could be wrong tho) that is 18+

Morwen.

Yes.... but what if the company they have chosen has a proofed record for selling that kind of information.... and that the word "data mining" seems to be common to them?

Morwen.

Mickey is right. It ain't gonna change, so we all have to do whatever we feel is right for ourselves. However, I am not as trusting in LL's pledge , or Integrity's for that matter on the security of any information they receive. I don't trust the word of any Corporation these days.

Then your only recourse is to not verify, isn't it?
Until it's mandatory, and that's still up in the air, whether or not they will make it mandatory, no one's forcing you to do it.

You are arguing that we MUST NOT use credit cards for age verification because one of the issuers has stated that these should not be used for age verification

However, you are happy to use passport numbers for age verification despite the fact that some of the issuers have stated that these should not be used for age verification

Matthew

Actually, I did verify since it turned out for the UK all it needed was my name, date of birth and postcode - I'd already given that information to LL in signing up with a credit card in the first place, and that level of information is already in numerous databases being traded around the place anyway.

However, despite all the flaws in using credit card verification, I fail to see how a system which has verfied me based only on name, postcode and date of birth is a better system!

Matthew

I'm not saying that at all. Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

What I am saying is that people working under the supposition that credit cards are viable verification are incorrect.

That's it.

I'm not saying that Passports are. I'm not saying anything but "If you thing that credit card verification is acceptable TO LINDEN LABS, you are wrong."

Then why the hysteria?

If it's tht easy, then that's that, no?

That's an assumption. A company that allows people to have so called trustworthy and verified status by name, date of birth and address alone (and like Matthew that's all the information I provided to verify) are hardly in a position to say that they shouldn't have considered alternatives.

But what people are arguing is that the same reasons that credit cards are not acceptable to Linden Lab, make pasports unacceptable!

Bottom line:
credit cards are not a perfect verification method
the integrity system is not a perfect verification method

as imperfect verification methods go - the integrity system is worse than the credit card system.

Matthew

I'm not being hysteric - however, I am perfectly entitled to express concern that LL are not only replacing an imperfect system with a substantially worse system but are making claims about the new system which will give a false sense of security.

At the moment if you meet someone who is "payment verified" you know precisely what that means - they have successfully paid via paypal or a credit card nothing more/nothing less. There is a good probability that they are an adult.

The new system claims that you are age verified - whereas at best all it means is you know a means of finding out valid names/postcodes/dob of UK citizens (and there is at least one place on the internet you can find a list of such things...)

Matthew

If passports are or are not.... I am not allowed to give any information away from my passport to not a by the Dutch Government recognized organization. LL or their data mining company surely don't belong to those.

So basically I have no option when passport are demanded from countries outside the US.

Morwen.