Children skins and shapes: legal or not?

Hi friends,
this is my first post in this section of the forum, so pls forgive any mistake.
As someone knows, i design and sell skins and shapes... I was just wondering: is illegal to design children skins and shapes?
Obviously, i mean skins not as detailed as adult ones (no genitals, etc...)... mainly faces and expressions...

Could someone fix this doubt?
Tnx so much in advance... xxx

Thiuscy

P.s.
Is there an easy way to talk to a Linden employee about this?

Perfectly legal to make kid avatars and stuff.

So long as they aren't "sexy kids".

Common sense prevailing, there's nothing to worry about and you don't need to talk to Lindens about this. You already have the right idea. If you are worried enough, make them have permanent underwear options (i.e. diffierent jammies, covered all up type).

Ty so much Cherry!
I'm so happy to hear this from you.
I've got another question: i own a Mature land... can i sell these skins/shapes there or do i need a PG land?
Tnx again!

You can sell anything on Mature land, it's PG land that has restrictions. So far as selling skins and shapes goes, the only thing seems to be to avoid fully nude pictures on your vendors on PG land.

You don't need PG land, but given your market, I would recommend looking for it anyway. People who are already RPing kids may be more likely to shop in a PG area than Mature if they're in the habit of steering clear of those areas.

You also have no control over your neighbors, so there's no predicting what kind of establishment will move in next door. If it's in any way sex-related this could create a conflict since people on the grid are so very twtichy about even the remotest accusation of age play.

If you're just starting out in business and will be developing more products for kids, then PG land is more suitable and you won't face the disruption of moving your business after its established (and runs into difficulties). On the other hand, if you've already got an established business, see if your products are successfull enough to warrant a branch store in PG land to cover both options.

im pretty sure kids are born with genitals.

Agree with the points above re PG. PG land is cheaper too, often much prettier ... without the possibility (one hopes) of something sexual next door.

(Which is why I run in horror from PG )

While my mom maintains a collection of embarassing baby pictures confirming your suspicion, I'm pretty sure that as a child those bits were essentially unimportant as to character.

at that age parts are not viewed them as one would adults. but some people would because maybe they are looking for issues to pickon....

BTW what is a Snark?

"Come, listen, my men, while I tell you again
The five unmistakable marks
By which you may know, wheresoever you go,
The warranted genuine Snarks.

"Let us take them in order. The first is the taste,
Which is meager and hollow, but crisp:
Like a coat that is rather too tight in the waist,
With a flavor of Will-o-the-wisp.

"Its habit of getting up late you'll agree
That it carries too far, when I say
That it frequently breakfasts at five-o'clock tea,
And dines on the following day.

"The third is its slowness in taking a jest.
Should you happen to venture on one,
It will sigh like a thing that is deeply distressed:
And it always looks grave at a pun.

"The fourth is its fondness for bathing-machines,
Which is constantly carries about,
And believes that they add to the beauty of scenes--
A sentiment open to doubt.

"The fifth is ambition. It next will be right
To describe each particular batch:
Distinguishing those that have feathers, and bite,
And those that have whiskers, and scratch.

"For, although common Snarks do no manner of harm,
Yet, I feel it my duty to say,
Some are Boojums--" The Bellman broke off in alarm,
For the Baker had fainted away.

http://www.literature.org/authors/carroll-lewis/the-hunting-of-the-snark/index.html

Actually, i already own 2200sqm in a mature land.
The land is very quiet and the neighbourhood is great since ages (i have my main store there since 1 year or so).
There is a lot of green, waterfront, trees, a spiritual group... and i personally know my neighbours: i dont think they'll dislike this project.

As u said, would be better a PG land... i could try on this one and then, if i see that ppl appreciate my works and the business works too, i could buy a land in a PG area.
What do u think?

Ty so much.

//EDIT
I'm pretty sure babies have genitals, as well.
But answet this: why should i design them on a skin if the avi isnt supposed to be a part of sex games?

There are some big kids malls (like Inner Child Depot or Primborium) - if you make kids stuff, you definitely should think about getting a place there.

About genitals... Kids might want to go skinny dipping - looks kinda incomplete then, lol.

I would say, make permaundies an option. Some may be skinny dippers, but others may be worried about how kid AVs are viewed and would be against buying a 'correct' skin. (^_^)

What matters most to me is that there is no shading to assume breasts. It makes finding a good swimsuit a serious chore! (>_<

Yes, it is legal. I'd sggest taking a look at the way Robin Sojourner or Emily Freund sell their kid skins, for examples of how to do this.



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You may indeed sell them on Mature land. As an aside, the biggest kids' mall, Inner Child Depot, sits on Mature land.

Mari

I soooo want to go to one of those. (>_< Does anyone ever chatlog or blog them when they're not uber-controversial? Are they open to freebie accounts like me?

Sorries!!! Straying off topic. (=_=)7

thanks snark for the teaching! didnt know it


Usagi

Open to all. I dun tink they're regularly blogged or nuttin. A shame, really.

Mari
(Who is there so often now that they've put up some of my kid size chairs)

All this talk has me wondering if someone makes little boy penises. I mean you just can't slap an xcite penis on your kid avvie. Am I broaching something that is too taboo? Is a penis seen as purely sexual organ and when worn automatically assumes the child avvie is behaving in a sexual way and therefore against the TOS?

I prefer Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision.

never heard of anyone making any, probably too afraid to for the very reason you stated

if I saw a little boy with a penis in the proper setting I would not consider it a sign of being sexual, only a sign of gender


(proper setting would be things like...at someone's house kid comes running out of the bath, nudist colony, bed time if I was babysitting kid, stuff like that, which would mirror RL)



what if the person purchasing the skin wants to also wear it as a adult someday?

I have not seen any rule against having the genitals on kid avatars, so when I did my kid skins they have the correct parts, no shading for breasts since little kids have none (other than what SL does, I sooooo wish we could make them look correct)

I would suspect you are approaching a line with that, ya.

From http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/13/clarification-of-policy-disallowing-ageplay/

"2) promoting or catering to such behavior or representations violates our Community Standards. For instance, the placement of avatars appearing to represent minors in proximity to “sex beds” or other sexualized graphics, objects, or scripts, would violate our Community Standards, as would the placement of sexualized “pose balls” or other content in areas depicting playgrounds or children’s spaces;"

and

"If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as ageplay, we request you err on the side of caution and desist."

Might cause some issues in a strict interpretation. I could be wrong, jes sayin'.

Mari
(Who never, ever thought she'd be answering a post about "boy penis" in a forum post.)

And the thread has been completely civil so far at that... Well... It is still page 2. (=_=)

I know that Valentine's day "Be my F-Buddy" joke shirt I bought sure got me in hot water... (^_^)y

I had a heck of a time a while back while taking one of my many photos. I wanted to get a "bathtime" shot when I got back from Camp HardKnock. A purely innocent shot, but I found myself wondering if someone, somewhere -- prob'ly in countries with more restrictive laws about "depictions," I dunno. I still took the piccie, but I was extremely cautious about the angle I shot and what I showed. Such as the times we live in where innocence is assumed to be filth :-/

FWIW, I've also been running a battle with someone stealing mine (not the one listed above) and others' photos on flickr, claiming them to be related to pedophilia. In my case, it's a fully clothed, non-sexual image of me on a swing. Some weird people out there!



I would suspect one might want a different skin as an adult avvie, given not only secondary sexual characterists but other body changes, particularly in the hands and feet, knees, etc. It's one of the reasons I have the skin I have, because it's not designed for adults, but is based heavily on kid anatomy.

Mari

I'm more worried about someone who sees a naked human body as something dirty than about someone showing his naked body

He who sees the naked human body as something dirty - must have a really dirty mind.

seen many sexy kids have you?