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Why and for What anti-bots/Alts Camping and Security devices???

Luk Wilber
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06-25-2008 09:52
Camping devices, 1L$ button and others - exists for what? Traffic?

For sure the objective is gain traffic and be in the high of list in the "search".

My question is: Why many land owners waste time and money with sofisticated anti-bot, anti-alt camping systems and security systems to prevent Alts and bots in their lands?

Do Prevent alts and bots will get the opposite objective - less traffic ?

If the land owner want quality in traffic, why use camping? He is a type of Sant Claus and give money to the people because he is a very very good person?
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06-25-2008 10:01
This isn't exactly the same situation, but similar: At the Shelter we have a couple money trees. They're not intended to drive our traffic stats up, but rather to help new residents.

We've noticed that 80% of the folks who pick money off our trees teleport in, grab their money, and leave - without actually spending any time at the Shelter meeting people, being helped, etc.

That has resulted in a rather animated discussion within our group on whether to limit our money trees to folks who have joined the (open-join) Shelter group only. For now, we decided to leave it as-is... although some in our group strongly feel that the money is simply going to cash-farmers rather than the new residents that need it.

Based on my own experience, I guess I could see where some folks may have employed camping for helpful reasons rather than traffic purposes - and if so, would want to restrict it to those who could most benefit from it.
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Luk Wilber
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06-25-2008 10:28
Sincerely, I may be wrong, I addmit, but I don't believe the objective of the camping and similars is another then to gain traffic. If yes, It makes no difference bots, alts therefore is a waste of money and time this anti-bots anti-alts camping system.
If the land owner want quality, why not to offer nice places to visit and have fun? I am sure this will generate a more quality traffic.
Tristin Mikazuki
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06-25-2008 10:54
Camping is for traffic but also to help spred some cash around thats why everyone hates bots.. that and most of the bots will auto log and auto sit much faster then a real person... ie the auto logging will crash someones client.

Then camp owners mostly want to help spread the money and for traffic but a few griefers use bots to take all the open camp spots hench the reason bots get booted and banned as they should.
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06-25-2008 11:00
From: Luk Wilber
If the land owner want quality, why not to offer nice places to visit and have fun? I am sure this will generate a more quality traffic.

You can have the nicest place in the world but if it never shows up in search results, how are people going to find it?
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Luk Wilber
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06-25-2008 11:22
From: Wildefire Walcott
You can have the nicest place in the world but if it never shows up in search results, how are people going to find it?


Of course! I understand your point of view.

In Brazil we have a saying (proverb) "Who is in the rain is to get wet"

If the land owner put a a Camping in his land to gain traffic he is subject to get also all sort of bots and alts. If he eliminate they, he also eliminate the traffic. Then my question: what the advantage of a anti-bot or anti-alt system?
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06-25-2008 11:26
From: Luk Wilber
Of course! I understand your point of view.

In Brazil we have a saying (proverb) "Who is in the rain is to get wet"

If the land owner put a a Camping in his land to gain traffic he is subject to get also all sort of bots and alts. If he eliminate they, he also eliminate the traffic. Then my question: what the vantage of a anti-bot or anti-alt system?

Some business owners along with the traffic boost, want to give the money away to help people. Real People, not bots or linden farming alts.
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06-25-2008 11:26
From: Luk Wilber
Of course! I understand your point of view.

In Brazil we have a saying (proverb) "Who is in the rain is to get wet"

If the land owner put a a Camping in his land to gain traffic he is subject to get also all sort of bots and alts. If he eliminate they, he also eliminate the traffic. Then my question: what the vantage of a anti-bot or anti-alt system?


quality

Some are willing to use the camp pads to boost traffic, but are also not going to support the bots

In fact many find it cheaper to create a horde of alts and stuff them in a box, using slim clients to log them all in.
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06-25-2008 11:29
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In fact many find it cheaper to create a horde of alts and stuff them in a box, using slim clients to log them all in.

Yes. Anybody who's _only_ interested in traffic will do this instead of camping. Why pay campers when you can do it yourself for free?
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Luk Wilber
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06-25-2008 11:30
From: Brenda Connolly
Some business owners along with the traffic boost, want to give the money away to help people. Real People, not bots or linden farming alts.


But you really believe in this? Give 1000 L$ (or much more) away every day only to help people?
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06-25-2008 11:33
There are a few that do that ya.

$1000L's isnt much at all lol

ps:inless you lose it to a bug or a con lol
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06-25-2008 11:36
From: Luk Wilber
But you really believe in this? Give 1000 L$ (or much more) away every day only to help people?


Some have no problem spending the 4 bucks a day to help out, it's just one less happy meal a day.

If the traffic boost results in sales, then it's a win win situation. Often times they sell enough to cover the camping pads and still make a profit.

They want a minor boost to traffic, else they would run their own bots.
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06-25-2008 11:38
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But you really believe in this? Give 1000 L$ (or much more) away every day only to help people?

/me is suddenly a little sadder.
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06-25-2008 11:38
From: Luk Wilber
But you really believe in this? Give 1000 L$ (or much more) away every day only to help people?

Yes. Believe it or not, there are some people in SL who really do like helping people. I know it sounds impossible, but it is true.

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06-25-2008 11:46
Hee, I've blown 2-3k at times just snagging a random newbie and taken them shopping.

Now it's a lot less with some of the better quality freebies available for customizing avatars.

I'd say about 500 to 1k if I toss in one of the cheaper AOs or some pricer outfits or items
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06-25-2008 11:52
It is also a way to get some exposure to people. The first place I went to for camping (never really got used to just sitting somewhere) was of course a store. After shopping I figured I would camp until I had enough money to buy something that was at the store I was camping at in the first place. Essentially, I camped for the item, and they got traffic. I like those type of camping chairs better, those that give you an item after a certain amount of time. Its the only sort of camping I might do now-a-days.
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Luk Wilber
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06-25-2008 11:57
Ok!

So, the camping owners are very good people and the only objective is help the people!

Then to give 1000, 2000 3000 L$ every day -> 30,000 60,000 90,000 L$ a month is nothing. Sure nothing compares to rejoice in help people!!

Seeing the opinions of most of you I will try to change my mind!
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06-25-2008 11:59
From: Luk Wilber
Ok!

So, the camping owners are very good people and the only objective is help the people!

Then to give 1000, 2000 3000 L$ every day -> 30,000 60,000 90,000 L$ a month is nothing. Sure nothing compares to rejoice in help people!!

Seeing the opinions of most of you I will try to change my mind!



Lets be clear, 'some' are decent people that are actually eager to help people...'most' however, in my opinion, are just paying for traffic. Its hard to distinguish between the two, thank goodness its not my job to do so. >.<
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06-25-2008 12:13
From: Luk Wilber
Ok!

So, the camping owners are very good people and the only objective is help the people!

Then to give 1000, 2000 3000 L$ every day -> 30,000 60,000 90,000 L$ a month is nothing. Sure nothing compares to rejoice in help people!!

Seeing the opinions of most of you I will try to change my mind!

Like most things in life, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Landowners who use campers today do want traffic, but they ALSO want to help the less fortunate, or at least want to justify their traffic-gaming by providing a service while they inflate their traffic numbers.

There ARE ways to give money to newbies that don't directly affect traffic, but they're not as common.
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06-25-2008 12:47
I'm a very giving person!

I give newbies 1000L!.... if they let me...erm.. tie em up.... and ...err...do stuff to em....

I also give away free collars! ... err... Hmmm....

Nevermind.
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06-25-2008 13:03
Why restrict bots and campers?

Because bots don't buy merchandise, but they do take up avatar spaces that paying customers or residents could use. A sim with 40 bots or camping zombies in it is one that no real avatars can get into, to shop or to enjoy their own property. Ultra-high traffic on your neighbor's camping farm means everyone else in the sim has worthless land, that they can't use.

Because some bots snatch up land on the cheap when anyone makes a mistake in seting their land for sale at the wrong price. Countless people have been robbed of their land by this practice, while real people can't move fast enough to take advantage of what might be a legitimate good deal.

Because some bots intrusively catalog what you have and make it public knowledge, without your consent. Would you like to see a catalog of all your pose balls and sex toys posted on the Ineternet?

Because some bots are used to farm cash from newbie money trees or are set up to run other scams to steal from honest residents.

The legitimate uses for bots are greatly outnumbered by the illegitimate uses for them. Most people ise bots to make a profit at someone else's expense. I'd ban them all in a heartbeat.
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06-25-2008 13:07
From: Wildefire Walcott
Like most things in life, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Landowners who use campers today do want traffic, but they ALSO want to help the less fortunate
Sorry, but that just sounds like trying to make yourself (in the general sense, not referring to you specifically :o) look good for gaming search.

Noone who is in SL is "less fortunate" by default. If you can afford a puter that runs SL decently and pay for internet and waste electricity by camping then you can afford to buy some amount of L$.
Luk Wilber
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06-25-2008 13:26
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Why restrict bots and campers?


Please don't confuse the prime question :)

My question is: Why restrict bots and alts in camping?

I am not defending bots I don't like bots too.

My question is because I consider this current crusade against bots and alts in camping systems a contradiction, If the real objective of the camping is gain traffic.
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06-25-2008 14:52
From: Luk Wilber
Please don't confuse the prime question :)

My question is: Why restrict bots and alts in camping?

I am not defending bots I don't like bots too.

My question is because I consider this current crusade against bots and alts in camping systems a contradiction, If the real objective of the camping is gain traffic.


but they want traffic that spends lindens, not traffic that just farms lindens
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06-25-2008 15:30
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but they want traffic that spends lindens, not traffic that just farms lindens


I am not sure that a 1 L$ camper will spend lindens where stuffs are sold for 2000L$ :) maybe after 1 year camping, who knows...
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