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$500 million?? For 10%?! Of THIS?!

Har Fairweather
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11-06-2007 09:49
http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/11/05/linden-lab-investor-sold-10-percent-stake-report/

The obligatory question addressed to Residents being:

WTF???!!!

I mean, I'm really glad somebody with that kind of money thinks LL is worth that much, and I really hope they're right, but still, WTF?!
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11-06-2007 09:55
Er.. Maybe that number is in L$ ??
Bradley Bracken
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11-06-2007 09:59
I'm speechless because I can't believe the numbers. Is it remotely possible that LL is worth that much? Does the business community have dramatically more faith in SL than it's residents?

WTF is about all I can say too.
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11-06-2007 10:01
From: Bradley Bracken
I'm speechless because I can't believe the numbers. Is it remotely possible that LL is worth that much? Does the business community have dramatically more faith in SL than it's residents?

WTF is about all I can say too.


Hey I have faith in LL! I think honestly that they do pretty good considering the scope of SL... sure customer service isnt always perfect, but when you're getting millions upon millions (I don't think I'm exaggerating) of tickets and ARs daily.. you slip a little bit.

Considering how huge the SL world is, and how many people there are in it, and how much is created daily, I'd say LL is doing an amazing job, in all seriousness.
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11-06-2007 10:02
SL is revolutionary. Forward thinking investors see well beyond our petty little issues as residents. I think this is the future, folks. This, or a competitor (which doesn't exist yet).

If the company's valuation is really $5 billion, I guess I can finally see why Google hasn't bought it up yet.
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11-06-2007 10:05
From: Okiphia Rayna
Hey I have faith in LL! I think honestly that they do pretty good considering the scope of SL... sure customer service isnt always perfect, but when you're getting millions upon millions (I don't think I'm exaggerating) of tickets and ARs daily.. you slip a little bit.

Considering how huge the SL world is, and how many people there are in it, and how much is created daily, I'd say LL is doing an amazing job, in all seriousness.


I didn't mean to sound like a LL basher. I love SL very much and hope despite all it's flaws that it will continue to grow. But I still think it's too shaky and too early to believe that 10% of the company is worth over $500mil. Not an investment I would make, if I could. Maybe that's why I'll never be rich though.
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11-06-2007 10:06
From: Har Fairweather
http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/11/05/linden-lab-investor-sold-10-percent-stake-report/

The obligatory question addressed to Residents being:

WTF???!!!

I mean, I'm really glad somebody with that kind of money thinks LL is worth that much, and I really hope they're right, but still, WTF?!


And I thought buying an island was expensive....
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Lindal Kidd
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11-06-2007 10:08
That does seem awfully high.

Let's do a quick sanity check. These numbers are highly suspect, for reasons that have been discussed here before, but...if we assume that the "$US spent" figure is an indicator of the amount SL "makes" in a day, then we might say LL makes about $400M per year.

A typical business might be valued at as much as 7 times earnings, or $2.8B. A 10% slice of that would be $280M.

Well, well, well...an answer that's at least in the same order of magnitude as the reported purchase price. How very interesting!
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11-06-2007 10:12
Tax time is coming in 5 months or so. Capital gains loss. Nuff said.
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11-06-2007 10:15
The numbers are even more suspect for if you RTFA it points to another blog that reports a *rumor* of the sale price.

No news here - please move along.
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11-06-2007 10:27
"Second Life’s parent company, Linden Labs"

Linden Labs?

I wonder who that company is.

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11-06-2007 10:31
Wow... I didn't think 10% would be worth that much! Maybe half of the stakes but not only 10%. I guess this does mean LL is a big corporation now.

I wonder if those shares/stakes come with a really good stipend?
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11-06-2007 10:39
Reuters report:

"Smith declined to comment when contacted by Reuters.
Linden Lab was not immediately available."
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Nika Talaj
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11-06-2007 10:57
Yeah yeah, and last June Valleywag reported that LL completed a small round of funding, during which it was valued at $750M total.

But I don't see anything in the Mercury, Redherring, or VentureWire. soooo ... *yawn*

However, I'm sticking with my bet that Phil & co won't be completely happy unless they go public. And certainly a $750M valuation ain't enough for that in this climate. So I'm sure they're happy to see this latest rumor!
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11-06-2007 12:03
I think this is misleading. Read the article carefully, because it makes more sense if interpreted differently.

The way I see it, 10% of Catamount Ventures was sold for $500,000, not 10% of SL/LL.

Say I have a holding company, and all I hold is one share of Google. You could say "Ava's Holding Company, an investor in Google, sold a 100 percent stake in the company for $100." If read wrong, it sounds like Google just sold for $100. If read correctly, it just says I sold a single share of Google for $100.

I think the problem is the writing is ambiguous. Assuming Catamount is a venture capitalist company and holds much more than just some shares in LL, selling 10% of Catamount for half a billion might be reasonable.

From: someone
Catamount Ventures, an early investor in Linden Lab, sold a 10 percent stake in the company to an unknown third party for at least US$500 million earlier this year[...]

“Jed Smith, the Catamount Managing Director who sits on the board of Second Life’s parent company, Linden Labs, confirmed today that they did sell part of their holdings - 10% - to a third party eight months ago,” TechCrunch’s Michael Arrington reported. “But he would not comment on the price of the sale. A source with knowledge of the company has said it was well above half a billion, but declined to name a specific price.”
Ashley Ennui
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thats what it says
11-06-2007 12:14
10% of catamount sold for 500 million, not 10% of linden lab...

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11-06-2007 12:17
It might be true, it might not. Either way, it won't surprise me enough to roll out the question and exclamation marks until I've seen the books. =D
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11-06-2007 12:23
At least two people in the universe also think Alex Rodriguez is worth something in the same neighborhood.
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That doesn't mean they are right. And if someone really paid that for LL and not for some part of the holding company of LL, I'd say they have money to risk on a very shaky venture.
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11-06-2007 13:58
From: Ava Glasgow
I think this is misleading. Read the article carefully, because it makes more sense if interpreted differently.

The way I see it, 10% of Catamount Ventures was sold for $500,000, not 10% of SL/LL.


You're absolutely right, Ava. There is no way you can interpret any value upon LL based on this story. LL is only one of an unknown number of holdings that Catamount has. Ten percent of their TOTAL holdings were sold for $500M. For all we know, LL may be one of ten thousand holdings and it's contribution to Catamount is only ten cents. Not likely, I know, but very possible.
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11-06-2007 14:02
SOOOOOO this is where the number 7 servers are coming from!!!
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11-06-2007 15:30
I'd take the whole thing with a grain of salt and consider that the Reuters article wasn't properly fact checked. For starts, the website they are reporting is TechCrunch, not TechCruch.

When you navigate to TechCrunch, the TechCrunch article references that a 10% sale was confirmed and that there are RUMOURS that the sale was above 500 million. Not that there was an actual sale for 500 million confirmed as a fact.
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11-06-2007 15:34
btw, Catamount's last fund closed at 24M$. Let's say they get a 10x markup on everything in the fund (unlikely), that's still only 240M$. So 500M$ for 10% of them seems a little flaky too :)

Maybe the number is just plain wrong.
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11-06-2007 18:20
From: Nika Talaj
btw, Catamount's last fund closed at 24M$. Let's say they get a 10x markup on everything in the fund (unlikely), that's still only 240M$. So 500M$ for 10% of them seems a little flaky too :)

Maybe the number is just plain wrong.
How can it be wrong? It was in a story on the internetz!
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11-06-2007 18:25
omg!! lesse... 5 bil divided by... what is it, 1024 servers or so??... dividing my parcel share...

OMG!!! i'm worth almost 20 million dollars!!! ;) (gah, i -wish!!!-)
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11-06-2007 19:32
From: Broccoli Curry
"Second Life’s parent company, Linden Labs"

Linden Labs?

I wonder who that company is.

Broccoli


I don't think anyone else but you can me notice that Linden Labs do not exist. For those who still don't get it. Scroll down to the bottom of the screen and read the last copyright.
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