Clueless Lindens? Maybe not.
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Vampaerus Wysznik
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06-09-2008 04:03
From: Tegg Bode I haven't clicked on any for a long time, but most of the ones I clicked on 12 months ago were dead links, non existantant companies or big names used without the companies permission, a few RL companies I emailed about the problem didn't seem to care of course. much like email spam, for every 100,000 that get deleted unread, if just one person clicks the link one time, they think it's "worth it". Do NOT click the adfarms...EV-VAR! Curiosity may kill cats, but it breeds advertisers.
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Tegg Bode
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06-09-2008 04:17
From: Vampaerus Wysznik much like email spam, for every 100,000 that get deleted unread, if just one person clicks the link one time, they think it's "worth it". Do NOT click the adfarms...EV-VAR! Curiosity may kill cats, but it breeds advertisers. Yeah but the fact they weren't reall advertising means I suppose they are not really advertising or they are just farming for clicks to look more importan perhaps to customers.
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Qie Niangao
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06-09-2008 04:52
From: Vampaerus Wysznik much like email spam, for every 100,000 that get deleted unread, if just one person clicks the link one time, they think it's "worth it". Do NOT click the adfarms...EV-VAR! Curiosity may kill cats, but it breeds advertisers. Right, but this is why ignoring it doesn't work: it's astronomically asymmetrical. Just one buyer of an extortion plot can foot the bill for a large, large number of plots with big price tags. And this asymmetry applies to tier, too: How much tier do they pay to LL? Well, let's do the math: just a single full-sim tier, with group bonus, is 4512 microparcels of 16sq.m. each. The revenue stream from the entire in-world "advertising" industry isn't worth a single Linden's loaded labor rate for just one day a month.
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Vampaerus Wysznik
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06-09-2008 05:09
Tough to say what purpose it serves or what they get out of it. Prolly a whole lotta nuffin. But clickthrus are the currency the rest of the intertoobs runs on. If an adfarmer can say he generated X clickthrus for a previous client, he can sell that metric to other prospective clients. Even if the first client never made a single penny from it.
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Tegg Bode
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06-09-2008 05:28
From: Qie Niangao Right, but this is why ignoring it doesn't work: it's astronomically asymmetrical. Just one buyer of an extortion plot can foot the bill for a large, large number of plots with big price tags. And this asymmetry applies to tier, too: How much tier do they pay to LL? Well, let's do the math: just a single full-sim tier, with group bonus, is 4512 microparcels of 16sq.m. each. The revenue stream from the entire in-world "advertising" industry isn't worth a single Linden's loaded labor rate for just one day a month. Hmm worst thing is if LL don't manage adfarming some way and they drop tier it's going to get to be a real ugly world real quick.
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Tali Rosca
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06-09-2008 06:50
I think one of the problems is that SL was created with some Randian, objectivist capitalistic ideal. "If everybody are free to do anything, and nobody and nothing stands in their way, something beautiful will emerge". (-Anybody played Bioshock?)
But it grew beyond the few idealists, and for some the philosophy changed to, “It is my right to screw others over; if they don’t like it, it’s just because they are just not good enough at screwing others over themselves”.
The problem with any idealistic way to organize a society is that it only takes a few to ruin it for the many.
SL is, bluntly speaking, dragging along the legacy of a failed social experiment, and the Lindens are in the unenviable position of trying to make the best of that, balancing between preserving the imaginative world (as well as some legal promises), and trying to guide the platform in a direction where it is less vulnerable to disruption by a few, both legally and socially.
I think it is trying to find this balance which has LL appear sluggish when it comes to "cleaning up the obvious problems", rather than some conspiracy to squeeze money out of disgruntled users.
They haven’t exactly hit the target yet, with, say, something like Bay City functioning more as a showcase for what must be addressed than for a solution, and the current cleaner-than-G-rating of the birthday event being totally over the top, but they *are* stepping more and more into the "social" aspect of SL, for better of for worse.
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Yosef Okelly
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06-09-2008 07:26
From: Hope Zinner I hear and read a lot about the clueless Lindens. They don't understand the problems that the residents have to deal with and how destructive, harmful or financially draining these issues can be for us. At best I hear that they just don't care. I have been thinking a lot about these issues over the past two years that I have been inworld: lack of zoning and building standards within the sims, adfarms and adcutters, copybot and texture theft, unethical landlords, real estate extortion, griefing at newbie hangouts, bugs in the building tools, inventory loss, crashes and glitches in the viewer, Over 99% of the people will never read more than 8 lines of an email, post or news artical unless it pertains directly to them. Above is all most people will read. I'm one of them. |
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Ceka Cianci
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06-09-2008 11:42
From: Marcel Flatley Ceka en Zaphod, thanks  When one follows the latest technology trends, it is very clear that the technique Second Life is based on, is going to rock in the future. It will not be the next internet, but a very important part of the way we will communicate. Maybe I suggested in my writing that LL does not care at all about the current virtual world and its inhabitants, but that is not exactly my point. Probably they do care, but it is very important to understand the focus they have. Now we cannot be sure without them telling us, but in my opinion, that focus lies on further developing the current technique for the future. Even when they care about the current userbase, we are not their priority. We are , however, part of the development of a brand new technique that will play an important role in the future. And that is great on its own When taking this into consideration, it is easy to understand what are their biggest worries. Sex did make the Word Wide Web what it is today, so it is important to have the sex industry involved. When publicity focusses on extremes like childsex, it might chase serious business opportunities away though. Because of that, I see them sooner put more and more restrictions on the sexual content, as zoning mainland for example. The latter does have no value at all for their commercial value in the future. Biggest lesson to lean: We are not as impotrant as we think we are. our views on the future are so close it's scarey lol i was talking about something similar just the other day in a thread around here somewhere.. the last line of your post is as true as it gets.. there are bigger plans in the mix.. i really think they want to become that household tool that is used as much as the phone the tv and internet.. with positive advertising and probably a more watered down version it's very possible.. i feel we are going to see some major changes big time in the next two years..it probably won't even take them that long really.. |
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Ceka Cianci
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06-09-2008 12:02
From: Tali Rosca I think one of the problems is that SL was created with some Randian, objectivist capitalistic ideal. "If everybody are free to do anything, and nobody and nothing stands in their way, something beautiful will emerge". (-Anybody played Bioshock?)
But it grew beyond the few idealists, and for some the philosophy changed to, “It is my right to screw others over; if they don’t like it, it’s just because they are just not good enough at screwing others over themselves”.
The problem with any idealistic way to organize a society is that it only takes a few to ruin it for the many.
SL is, bluntly speaking, dragging along the legacy of a failed social experiment, and the Lindens are in the unenviable position of trying to make the best of that, balancing between preserving the imaginative world (as well as some legal promises), and trying to guide the platform in a direction where it is less vulnerable to disruption by a few, both legally and socially.
I think it is trying to find this balance which has LL appear sluggish when it comes to "cleaning up the obvious problems", rather than some conspiracy to squeeze money out of disgruntled users.
They haven’t exactly hit the target yet, with, say, something like Bay City functioning more as a showcase for what must be addressed than for a solution, and the current cleaner-than-G-rating of the birthday event being totally over the top, but they *are* stepping more and more into the "social" aspect of SL, for better of for worse. well what you have is this..society forcing itself on us in this world..i'm not sure what country you are from but in america we have this group called the boyscouts.. one day this lawyer which happens to be gay..not that there is anything wrong with gay people at all it is just it was underhanded what this guy did..he sends his two sons into the group that has been around since i think the 1950's..these two boys go in and refuse to do their oath..i guess you have to say this oath to be a part of them or something..that or the father just didn't approve of the oath..i forget which way it was but..his whole agenda was to send his two sons in there to have them change it to a more politically correct oath for boys that may be gay.. half of the things that happen in the world i really wonder about..like these people getting caught in sl and someone bringing out about child avatars in sl.. i mean how many are set ups and how many are not? ya know? i'm half asleep right now so this all may sound alittle offbeat and mixed up and if it does i'm sorry.. i am just so tired of the world messing with things that scare them by using underhanded methods..it's really wearing on my trust in anything anymore.. i just wish the people that have never tried something would at least try it before they condemn it.. it's like don't step on my rights while i trample all over yours.. sorry for drifting... |
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Sling Trebuchet
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06-09-2008 14:31
From: Tali Rosca I think one of the problems is that SL was created with some Randian, objectivist capitalistic ideal. "If everybody are free to do anything, and nobody and nothing stands in their way, something beautiful will emerge". (-Anybody played Bioshock?)
But it grew beyond the few idealists, and for some the philosophy changed to, “It is my right to screw others over; if they don’t like it, it’s just because they are just not good enough at screwing others over themselves”.
The problem with any idealistic way to organize a society is that it only takes a few to ruin it for the many.
SL is, bluntly speaking, dragging along the legacy of a failed social experiment, and the Lindens are in the unenviable position of trying to make the best of that, balancing between preserving the imaginative world (as well as some legal promises), and trying to guide the platform in a direction where it is less vulnerable to disruption by a few, both legally and socially.
I think it is trying to find this balance which has LL appear sluggish when it comes to "cleaning up the obvious problems", rather than some conspiracy to squeeze money out of disgruntled users.
They haven’t exactly hit the target yet, with, say, something like Bay City functioning more as a showcase for what must be addressed than for a solution, and the current cleaner-than-G-rating of the birthday event being totally over the top, but they *are* stepping more and more into the "social" aspect of SL, for better of for worse. There is no "The Lindens" There are a few officers and employees of Linden Lab who call the shots. They hire and fire. These few people set the norms for everyone else in the company. Then there are the majority of the employees, who deal day-to-day with maintaining and supporting SL. It could be that there are individual LL employees who are itching to zap those who clearly disrupt SL for others. They can't act without a mandate. It could be that there are individual LL employees who are "clueless", who simply have no maturity, no vision and no empathy for others. What is lacking it the ability or confidence of the management to lead, educate and motivate this varied collection of personalities into the management of a world that is less restrictive than the real world but where consistent value calls have to be made and stood over. It's not a conspiracy. It's an inability to deal with the requirements of a very tall order.
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Brenda Connolly
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06-09-2008 17:57
From: Sling Trebuchet There is no "The Lindens"
There are a few officers and employees of Linden Lab who call the shots. They hire and fire. These few people set the norms for everyone else in the company. Then there are the majority of the employees, who deal day-to-day with maintaining and supporting SL.
It could be that there are individual LL employees who are itching to zap those who clearly disrupt SL for others. They can't act without a mandate.
It could be that there are individual LL employees who are "clueless", who simply have no maturity, no vision and no empathy for others.
What is lacking it the ability or confidence of the management to lead, educate and motivate this varied collection of personalities into the management of a world that is less restrictive than the real world but where consistent value calls have to be made and stood over.
It's not a conspiracy. It's an inability to deal with the requirements of a very tall order. AKA "The Tao"
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06-09-2008 20:19
From: Brenda Connolly AKA "The Tao" Peace out. |
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06-09-2008 21:00
From: Colette Meiji Peace out. Wow, what a totally awesome thing to say. OMG!
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Hope Zinner
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06-11-2008 15:36
I just want to thank everybody who answered. Most of the posts were informative and helpful. And I think for the most part I was just having a blue day.
Thanks again.
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