Projecting Yourself Onto Others
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Ricardo Harris
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02-27-2008 09:43
From: Stormy Dyrssen Ray, you could have directed that towards me. I'm not taking offense. Projecting positive.......generally isn't projecting onto another person. I really think you guys are talking more along the lines of assumptions and perhaps even suggestion rather than projection. They actually believe they can project positive unto others. Is this going into the field of ESP, maybe?
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Stormy Dyrssen
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02-27-2008 09:43
From: Ricardo Harris They actually believe they can project positive unto others. Is this going into the field of ESP, maybe? No, it is not.
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02-27-2008 09:45
From: Ricardo Harris I don't think so. People are who they are and nothing you try to become will change them. You may meet someone who is similar to you and you happen to hit it off. But it's not going to happen with everyone. No matter how you try to come across it doesn't mean others will respond as you want them to.
As I go back and read some of the responses here all I can say is I'm seeing a lot of over-optimistic views. Do you really think you can change others just by projecting your "mental attributes and vision" on them? By projecting how nice you are? Maybe in a fantasy world you may. Oh, wait. Sl is a fantasy world is it not? And does it work here? No it doesn't, does it? Not even in a virtual world does it work and you believe it also works in rl? Talk about over-optimism.
Some of you kill me with your way of being. I wish it was really as you believe but unfortunately it's not, not in the real world. Here you have to deal with reality and reality stings, hurts and is nothing as you believe. But keep on believing as you do. Ricardo, In the terms I originally posted about, I'm not talking about changing someone. I'm talking about the observer influencing their observations of another with their own personality. The other person doesn't change, but they are not perceived in a realistic fashion by the observer. So imagine I do that, and then I fall in love with them. What exactly has happened?
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02-27-2008 09:48
I think this is a big part of why drama flares so fast and often in SL. We fill in the blanks of what we know and assume, and when reality doesn't agree with what we thought... BOOM!
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Stormy Dyrssen
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02-27-2008 09:48
From: Love Hastings Ricardo,
In the terms I originally posted about, I'm not talking about changing someone. I'm talking about the observer influencing their observations of another with their own personality. The other person doesn't change, but they are not perceived in a realistic fashion by the observer.
So imagine I do that, and then I fall in love with them. What exactly has happened? My take on that is that you would be in love with your idea of them.
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02-27-2008 09:49
From: Orfeu Miles A fascinating question.
Disregarding the question of terminology for the moment. The use of text as a communication tool, while having obvious strengths and merits, may also have some interesting side-issues. Many people when reading, may sub-vocalise. In other words............when you are writing to me..... I am reading your words "aloud" in my mind. After, a good amount of time doing this, I may start to get the feeling...." Wow.......this person knows me as well as I know myself........... It is like I have known this person forever........they seem so utterly familiar to me." etc , etc Your words........my voice.....it is not surprising that the "tone" of your voice sounds familiar, when I am hearing my own voice read the words.
Wow, Miles, This is so deep. It's got me spinning and it's not even Friday night.
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Ricardo Harris
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02-27-2008 09:52
From: Love Hastings Ricardo,
In the terms I originally posted about, I'm not talking about changing someone. I'm talking about the observer influencing their observations of another with their own personality. The other person doesn't change, but they are not perceived in a realistic fashion by the observer.
So imagine I do that, and then I fall in love with them. What exactly has happened? I wasn't directing my post to you directly. I always speak in general terms. When I do speak to someone I write their names letting them know it's them. Actually, I didn't see who wrote what when writing the post you responded to.
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Ricardo Harris
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02-27-2008 09:54
From: Stormy Dyrssen No, it is not. But you already know I was being sarcastic.
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Isis Owatatsumi
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02-27-2008 09:55
From: Love Hastings Hmmm. Well, that's completely different than what I thought. So that raises another question then. Did I ask about something legitimate, but used the wrong terminology? Or am I full of crap?  I agree that you used the wrong terminology . This is not projection. This is a good post- really made me think. I had never thought of it before, but I can admit that I sometimes form my own idea of who an avatar is ..especially if they dont have a very distinct personality.
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Stormy Dyrssen
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02-27-2008 09:56
From: Ricardo Harris But you already know I was being sarcastic. But I didn't know it was Rhetorical
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02-27-2008 10:02
From: Stormy Dyrssen But I didn't know it was Rhetorical Shame on you.
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02-27-2008 10:04
From: Ricardo Harris Shame on you. I know, I need to be spanked!
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02-27-2008 10:11
From: Stormy Dyrssen I know, I need to be spanked! OKay! Pie now?
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Love Hastings
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02-27-2008 10:18
From: Ricardo Harris I wasn't directing my post to you directly. I always speak in general terms. When I do speak to someone I write their names letting them know it's them. Actually, I didn't see who wrote what when writing the post you responded to. Indeed. But since my post was the origin of many of the comments, I thought it vaguely possible that you had misunderstood the thread in general.
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Orfeu Miles
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02-27-2008 11:03
From: Love Hastings So imagine I do that, and then I fall in love with them. What exactly has happened? As in Rl.......the early stages of love carry many layers of "projection". Your beloved becomes beautiful in your eyes..........faults and blemishes recede......points of symmetry and connection become magnified. You are bathed, in a chemical bath of optimism and joy.........life is sweet........exciting...........the pulse races.......the appetite diminishes.........you have permanent beer-goggles on. When this state overtakes you........their is a natural reluctance to contaminate this Rosy glow.......with mere reality. The intersting question becomes..............will these feelings survive the receding tide of this adrenline tsunami. http://www.cyberparent.com/love/love-being-in-love-1.htm "Lord what fools, these mortals be"
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Raymond Figtree
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02-27-2008 11:19
From: Orfeu Miles You are bathed, in a chemical bath of optimism and joy... I remember that 20 minutes of my life so well. Sigh.
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02-27-2008 11:43
From: Raymond Figtree I remember that 20 minutes of my life so well. Sigh. That's how we got The Joker and a handful of superheroes. Chemical baths are well known to give superpowers. They aren't quite as good as being born on Krypton or being bitten by a radioactive spider, but they'll do in a pinch. If I knew where I could find a giant vat of bubbling green chemicals, I'd jump right in. I always wondered why there were catwalks directly over the vats. Aren't there workplace safety rules in Gotham City or Metropolis? It just seems dangerous.
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02-27-2008 12:08
From: Raymond Figtree I remember that 20 minutes of my life so well. Sigh. 20 minutes seems to be about how long it takes for some people to get addicted to being in love with people who are nothing but pains in the neck ever after.
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02-27-2008 12:12
20 Mins is about the attention span of most men to begin with.
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02-27-2008 12:13
I did it once. Regretted it immensely and still do.
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Raymond Figtree
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02-27-2008 12:15
But seriously though, i read somewhere that the brain emits the chemicals that make us feel like we're in love for about six weeks. Then the honeymoon's over.
One thing I noticed in SL is that you can keep that feeling going a lot longer than in RL. Why is that? Is it because we never have to take out the garbage?
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02-27-2008 12:16
From: Oryx Tempel I did it once. Regretted it immensely and still do. "Experience is cheap at any price," seems more true when more time has passed since the experience.
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Terminology: Projection or Projective Identification
02-27-2008 12:26
slight difference here in the term as PI can include projecting the positive or esteemed qualities as well.... Projective Identification (or PI) is a term first introduced by Melanie Klein of the Object relations school of thought in 1946. It refers to a psychological process in which one person projects a thought, belief or emotion to a second person. Then, in most common definitions of projective identification, there is another action in which the second person is influenced by the projection and begins to behave as though he or she is in fact actually characterized by the projected thoughts or beliefs. This is a process that generally happens outside the awareness of both parties involved, though this has been often debated. What is projected is most often an intolerable, painful, or dangerous idea or belief about the self that the first person cannot accept (i.e. "I have behaved wrongly" or "I have a sexual feeling towards ...." ). OR it may be a valued or esteemed idea that again is difficult for the first person to acknowledge. Projective identification is believed to be a very early or primitive psychological process and is understood to be one of the more primitive defense mechanisms. Yet it is also thought to be the basis out of which more mature psychological processes like empathy and intuition are formed.
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