Lowrise jeans for males. Why not label them as such?

This is a question and a rant. For the past few days I've been looking for a decent pair of ripped jeans but it seems that for some reason jean designers have all suddenly decided that males wish to wear lowrise jeans. I dunno, maybe the "always shirtless male" demographic is larger than I realize because for me, personally, lowrise jeans look absolutely absurd on someone wearing a shirt. And by a shirt I mean an actual shirt. Not a shirt texture on a jacket layer which is another issue entirely as I've no problem with those, except when I actually wish to, ya know, wear an open jacket with a shirt underneath...

So I finally find a store (which shall remained unnamed) that has a decent looking pair of ripped jeans that appear regularly cut. The display makes no mention of them being lowrise, as some other stores considerately do, so I naturally assume based on the photo that these 150L jeans are what I want. Cut to a minute later when they rez and I am stunned to see that no, they are in fact lowrise! I check the creator's profile, she's online. I decide to ask her why the jeans in the pic look regularly cut and the jeans I am wearing do not only to be informed that they are the same jeans and that no one else has ever complained. I say fine, I just wish the display had mentioned that they were in fact lowrise given that they look like no such thing in that display. She then tells me that they are mod and the cut can be adjusted. This, of course, is simply not true. Yes, you can lower the waist on pants with the slider. You can not, however, raise it past 100 and have it magically make the jeans suddenly raised higher than the system allows and even if you could, lowrise jeans are not lowrise by adjusting that slider, they are textured to be lowrise. When informed of that she has no further comment at all. No offer of a refund, nothing. The pants were no copy/trans so they could have been returned but no. Nothing. Just dead silence.

So naturally I will never shop there again. But it makes me wonder, why can't some designers properly label their clothing to avoid this sort of thing?

oh? well I'm off to bed now.

We take your concerns very seriously here at LL. After review of your complaint, we have discovered that your avatar is in fact too tall, and you should only purchase jeans labelled "tall."


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IMHO "high rise" jeans with a shirt that actually is on the "shirt" layer, looks ridiculous. I wear my jeans in RL lowrise, and I wear smaller shirts, that ends just above the jean line because it`s my preference. In SL, that`s how I make it because that`s what i`m familiar with. Plus, I think it looks much better. Where the "shirt" layer ends, is way too high up to look realistic.

One thing you can do is IM the creator and ask if the jeans come up to the highest point of the template and would be compatible with shirts tht really are on the shirt layer.

Another thing to do would be to buy a shirt on the shirt layer, that comes with a "tucked" part to it. This "tucked" part would be on the underpants layer and it would hide the gap left between low-rise jeans and a short shirt.

In reality, I think most designers are not labelling the jeans as "low rise" because they don`t see it as lowrise, they see it as something that *has* to be done to get the jeans to look like they weren`t made for an elderly with a pamper underneath. No offense but tht`s how some jeans look if you don`t make them lower down on the template. You`ll also notice that the guys butt crack doesn`t stick out in the jeans, whereas it seams alot of times when women here are wearing "low rise" half of their butt is showing.

I found this subject quite amusing. Since I opened my business (barefoot apparel), I have been asked many times for this very thing, low rise jeans, shorts, etc for the guys. To date, I have not. I have seen some of the 'low rise' jeans for the guys and frankly, in my opinion, they look completely ridiculous. Now I suppose in time, I may make some. As for letting the customer know by picture and product description, YES! I would label the item as such and the picture would say 'low rise' as well. I think this is just commons sense, but maybe I missed something somewhere, eh?

Was the jeans modifiable? There is only so many settings available for pants. If its modifiable you may need to mess with the sliders to get the jeans to look the right way for your body type.
Real issue is there is certain set of limitations on clothing designs have when it comes to clothes be it from templates or prims.
Try designing a outfit and you'll see what I mean.
There aren't also sizes like in real life that designers put out so you often have to guess what the shape and size of the avatar the designer had intended the outfit for.

I agree with the op. My av does wear a lot of low rise jeans and looks great. I was looking for a particular color once, though, and I bought several pairs at different places that were all low rise. Low rise definitely didn't go with this look at all. It was very frustrating and a complete waste of money since I had no use for them otherwise. I think having jeans labeled whether or not their low rise is not a lot to ask.

cant you tell by the vendor picture how high they go?

You would think it's easier than it is. Maybe I just don't have a trained eye. Only a few times was it obvious to me.

hmmm

maybe with the straight hips its harder for guys to judge.

He said he did try to mod them but the way the creator made them was low on the template, in that case, you cant raise them anyhigher in sl.

Try Rickheads. I have a pair of ripped jeans that I bought there and they are not lowrise.

I do agree that some items could be better discribed escpecially what the perms are.

oops sorry I missed that they were no mod.

It's funny you should make this thread. I was just pondering this myself today. I was going through looking at some shirts I made a few months ago. They were all made with the shirt template...meaning they don't line up with low rise jeans. I looked all over for normal jeans that go up to the waist like the newbie jeans, but I couldn't find any. Yes, low rise should say low rise. Not everyone has an eye for it, especially if you are not a content creator. You cannot use the sliders to make low rise jeans higher; they use alpha to make the high part invisible.

Okay, so now that we've established that this is an artifact of SL's upper/lower body templates and not a new fashion trend for bare-midriff males, I've been thinking about how to dress properly... by which I mean, the process of going from nude AV to fully-dressed, looking as accurate as possible at each step. This gives new appreciation for the n00bs who just give up and fly around naked. To wit:

1. Remove genitals. (anxious yet?)
2. Wear underpants on Pants layer.
3. Wear undershirt on Undershirt layer and "tucked" undershirt extension on Underpants layer to cover gap between underpants and shirt layer.
4. Wear pants on Pants layer, replacing underpants from step 2, and wear Robin Wood's "barefoot socks" on Socks layer to hide the skin that would otherwise line the pants bottoms.
5. Wear real socks on Socks layer.
6. Wear open shirt on Jacket layer.
7. "Button" shirt by wearing closed shirt on Shirt layer and "tucked" shirt extension on Underpants layer, replacing the undershirt extension from step 3, and remove open shirt from step 6.
(7a., optional: wear underpants on Underpants layer. Nobody can ever actually see underpants on the Underpants layer because that layer can only ever be visible wearing a shirt extension; also you have no genitals, so underpants may not seem so important.)
8. Wear shoes (probably prim attachments and shoe base on Shoes layer).
9. Wear jacket on Jacket layer and jacket extension on Skirt layer.

Huh. Shoulda been a valet.

Funny!



As to the OP: I reckon it's very hard to make clothes in an ad look like what they will look like on any potential buyer. (That sentence is bad, but hope someone can make sense of it).
Given the huge variety of shapes out there, even a simple t-shirt will look very different on each individual.

That said..... it would make sense to make mention of the fact that (in this case) jeans were low rise. And IMHO it wouldn't make sense to make them modifiable, because if you mod something like the waist of jeans with the sliders I imagine the detailing would go bananas.


Just MHO, YMMV etc.

Worn and ripped jeans @ X2, normal fit

I'd just like thank everyone for the helpful comments, especially the referral to Rickheads which does have a lot of very nice jeans at very reasonable prices as well as Shelly Toonie who owns Moonshine Clothing for giving me a very cool pair of jeans as well. It really was appreciated! Thank you.

If you plan on wearing a shirt and not a jacket layer. Sadly I think you will always have the belly showing. I've often wondered why designers even make shirts on the shirt template for men. They never work for me.

huh? AFAIK shirts work fine on the shirt layer _unless_ you're wearing low-rise trousers. Wouldn't be so bold as to call myself a designer, but I've made several shirts for friends and have never seen any belly showing.

Just MHO .... YMMV etc....

I agree 100% with the OP. Most men's pants are not labeled as "low" or "high" rise, and I've rarely been able to judge based on the vendor's picture. Adding to the problem: too few designers offer tucked shirts that work with low-rise pants.

FNKY's jeans are identified as low or high, and offers both. Dan Senyurt's shirts are some of the best you'll find that look good tucked in with high- or low-rise pants. (You have to buy the full shirt pack from Senyurt to obtain the low-rise extras.)


Some designers include a matching underwear layer to cover the gap. When done well (to be sure the texture matches and you don't see a seam), it looks great. I like having shirts on the shirt layer so that I can wear a jacket. For a "business casual" look w/o a tie, I like pairing one of Dan Senyurt's shirts with a jacket from one of Blaze's suits.

Low rise Jeans are hawter anyway. Long as the guy wearing them -

a) doesnt have a beer belly. (and)
b) matches.

Aha! This thread reveals that there's a huge, untapped market for cummerbunds!

Yes, prim cummerbunds! It will be the new fashion that everyone must have.