Stolen necklacedesign/texture-what can I do?
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Briana Dawson
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02-11-2009 06:05
From: 3Ring Binder resolution - don't make items modifiable. =/ This is nonsense. What does making it NO MOD do except cause people like myself and thousands others to immediately decide to not buy it. It does nothing to stop someone from copying it by other means. Sure you wont have someone take it apart and reproduce the prims by hand like i would, but then you also won't be getting my Linden. When you make an item that a lot of people want or like and have madet he perms on the item NO MOD, you'll find it is the quickest way to get your items CopyBotted for personal use. No mod items suck, especially when it is no mod for reasons such as "I do not want to be copied". All my furniture is Mod, it was No Mod at first, but i said screw it, if someone wants to pull it all apart and recreate their own version of it, flatter me away, just don't go trying to sell it.
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Satyra Singh
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02-11-2009 06:44
From: Arielyn Docherty OK, I swore to my husband I would stay out of this BUT..... Hehe, hope your husband forgives you!  Im glad anyway that you put energy to this issue and I agree in your thoughts of "taking care of eachother" as good as we can in SL too. But/since it s so easy for some people to sit behind a screen, not able to be seen in RL, not forced to actually look the other person in the eyes, and claim/say things that is not true. :-/ Sad but true. I really hope this will be solved couse it really irritates me that Iv been copied like this. Not to a similar item even, but as an exact copy. Its so bad, sad and wrong! And again - I can prove both the textures and the itemdesign was made by me and by me first! Though ... if the other part does not intend to prove her side of the story, how can it then bee solved?  hm ... I put my hopes to those I v involved to this issue now, those who I belive can do something about it, with or without involvment from the other side of the story.
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-11-2009 06:55
From: 3Ring Binder resolution - don't make items modifiable. =/ Making items no-mod doesn't prevent people from copying them. It just makes customers into ex-customers.
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
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02-11-2009 06:58
From: Satyra Singh Just wanted to say that Im sorry if you cant read my english - Im just a swedish blond.  Don't worry about your english - it is easy to understand you - you write it very well. BUT, if you are the Swedish blonde from ABBA, I love you!  If you are not her, then please tell her that I love her 
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Phil Deakins
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02-11-2009 07:00
I have around 1000 items for sale, only 4 of which are no-mod. Those 4 are sculptures - it would be a bit silly to have moddable sculptures 
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Lindal Kidd
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02-11-2009 07:12
From: Arielyn Docherty ...Someone said that it didn't warrant going on about this here--that only the Lindens, or a DMCA complaint, would "solve" this, but here's my take: if there are folks out there blatantly stealing--no matter WHO they are--don't we owe it to each other as responsible SL members, creators, designers, etc., to stick together and call OUT the thieves? Don't we have some accountability to the societal presuppositions associated with the almost self-governance of our little metaverse? I hate the idea that we are all "islands" and would rather think of us as somehow sharing the responsibility for keeping things, as much as possible, above board and "moral." I guess we could dispute the idea of morality on both a philosophical and religious platform, but the upshot, I think, would be the same: stealing is immoral when it's not accompanied by an accute basic need (i.e. stealing food to feed a starving child when nothing else is available). Yeah, in some cases it's gray, and again, we can argue, but I would be hard pressed to come up with a single reason why it would be OK to log on to SL, steal someone's design, take the time to recreate each prim, steal the textures, then upload that creation to SLEX for sale to the general SL public. :: off my soapbox....for now :: Let the flaming begin. No flame...I agree that we all have some responsibility to protect and honor each others' intellectual property. Stealing is definitely NOT ok. The problem comes when we start talking about "calling out" suspected thieves. The court of public opinion is easily swayed or misled. It's very possible for a person to damage the reputation of someone who doesn't deserve it. Heck, even a formal DMCA takedown can and has been used to grief someone. All systems of justice are imperfect and subject to abuse. We need to remain as aware of the need to guard against that as we are of the need to bring miscreants to heel.
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Satyra Singh
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02-11-2009 07:29
From: Phil Deakins Don't worry about your english - it is easy to understand you - you write it very well. BUT, if you are the Swedish blonde from ABBA, I love you!  If you are not her, then please tell her that I love her  Hahaha, Sorry, Im not that one - Agneta as her name is. But I am a singer too actually.  If I see her I will tell her you love her! Absolutly! 
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Satyra Singh
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02-11-2009 07:32
About to have your items able to modify ... I think as some others here, that I don´t want to buy stuff myself that it´s not able to modify. And to transfer. Since I think that if I paid for an item I shall be able to give it away if I don´t wanna keep it myself. So therefor I chose to have it like that.
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Phil Deakins
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02-11-2009 07:41
From: Satyra Singh Hahaha, Sorry, Im not that one - Agneta as her name is. But I am a singer too actually.  If I see her I will tell her you love her! Absolutly!  Thank you  I used to be a professional singer too, but I stopped in '98. Maybe you are the swedish blonde of my dreams after all (but still tell Agneta what I said ) 
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3Ring Binder
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02-11-2009 08:00
From: Briana Dawson All my furniture is Mod, it was No Mod at first, but i said screw it, if someone wants to pull it all apart and recreate their own version of it, flatter me away, just don't go trying to sell it. there is NO way to stop someone from copying your item prim for prim and selling it as their own creation. if they make it, they can sell it. the end.
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3Ring Binder
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02-11-2009 08:01
From: Argent Stonecutter Making items no-mod doesn't prevent people from copying them. It just makes customers into ex-customers. not all items. skirts, hair, necklaces and shoes - yes. furniture, textures, animated rides, vehicles, etc., - no.
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-11-2009 08:06
Textures (including sculpts) can be copied using Ogre or OpenGL Monitor.
Prim objects can be copied using libsl (or whatever they're calling it this week), or just by lining up prims by eye.
Any other downloaded assets can be copied with libsl.
Scripts can't be copied, but most can be reverse-engineered in a few hours if someone really wants to.
Making any object "no mod" just penalizes your honest customers.
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Ephraim Kappler
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02-11-2009 08:11
From: Briana Dawson Nothing wrong with copying an item if you have the skill to reproduce it yourself. It is wrong to sell your copy however. I totally agree: it's also a great way to learn good building and texturing techniques. To name a just couple of examples, I admire creative residents like Arcadia Asylum and Thilli Playfair for their generosity in sharing completely free, full-perms versions of their work. And of course it's right out of order to resell copied work without making sufficient, significant changes to justify your right to a claim of originality.
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3Ring Binder
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02-11-2009 08:13
From: Ephraim Kappler And of course it's right out of order to resell copied work without making sufficient, significant changes to justify your right to a claim of originality. i meant this. of course. after you've learned a few building techniques by tearing apart someone else's work, you will have enough skills to let your imagination ans creativity become your guidfe from that point on.
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Satyra Singh
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02-11-2009 08:14
From: Lindal Kidd All systems of justice are imperfect and subject to abuse. We need to remain as aware of the need to guard against that as we are of the need to bring miscreants to heel. Its always a hard and fine balance in doing nothing at all/try to do what you think is right in issues were you think something unfair/wrong is going on. And so it is in most things in life that are even a bit sensitive for some part. I still don´t think the "do nothing at all"-part of your mind shall win always. If more people could dare to speak up it would be better/easier in most cases, I think.  And in cases like this now - Since I feel that I CAN prove that the necklace original design/textures are mine, if the other part just show her side of the story, it would not be at all anything unfair with it. I did not start with writing about it in this forum, or contacting LL, I did start with sending an IM to HER. Its her way to first just answer me very rudely and then just ignore me that made me let it go this far! And also ... it s a balance in who/what and how to protect. Shall I, or others in my situation, just stand still and let it happen, so I/we don´t insult those who we feel did us wrong? You are right - it can happen that some is innocent to what they are accused of, but that is not a reason to stop trying to have somekind of justicesystem in the world. And in most cases I think it should not be so hard to prove you r innocent if you really are. But again - in THIS case, it should not be hard at all!
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Satyra Singh
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02-11-2009 08:15
From: Phil Deakins Thank you  I used to be a professional singer too, but I stopped in '98. Maybe you are the swedish blonde of my dreams after all (but still tell Agneta what I said )   Hugs! 
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3Ring Binder
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02-11-2009 08:23
Satyra, i just previewed the pics again, and i agree that you were copied in such a way that a DMCA can be filed. i wish you luck.
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Satyra Singh
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02-11-2009 08:26
From: 3Ring Binder Satyra, i just previewed the pics again, and i agree that you were copied in such a way that a DMCA can be filed. i wish you luck. Thanks!
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