how much do ban lines affect sl performance ?

So many things are blamed for causing performance failures in sl but strangely no one ever queries the affect of ban lines.

So how much do ban lines affect the performance of sl?

At a guess, I'd say that approximately - and this is just a guess - 0% of the lag is caused by ban lines.

That's just a ball park estimate though.

I don't know Conan; since an avatar crashing into a ban wall is a collision, would it not have some effect?

How about people touching items in others' places, activating listen scripts that would otherwise be dormant?

I did say it was a rough estimate.

You raise a good point though - does the physics treat it like an object collision in the usual sense? We don't know, and probably never will.

The question was though, do ban lines affect performance - not the presence of a ban on the avatar attempting to enter the land. My understanding is that the ban wall is not an object in itself - that is; it is not rendered in the physics engine of the game - but is merely a piece of code that denies entry to the parcel without rendering a physical object as such.

I assumed he was meaning the alpha textures used to denote the presence of the ban wall, not the invisible barrier itself, since the latter would be a pointless question, as removing the ability for landowners to ban people would be unhelpful at best. The OP's question seemed to stem from the recent discussions regarding ban lines as an eyesore you see.

At the end of the day, everything affects performance - including your hair (in game obviously - your real life hair isn't a problem, as far as I'm aware. Of course that depends on what style you have.)

If I crash into your ban lines, it affects my performance.

Is that what you wanted to know?

Gotcha. A nice addition might then be to be able to turn off the rendering of ban lines in the client - would be great for those who feel neighbours' ban lines are an eyesore, not such a great idea when flying around new territory! That is, unless you 're rping as a moth

I crash into a banline and it affects my performance. The damned things. I doubt it has any significant effect on the grid overall though.

Apparently, the more musicians bounce into banlines, the worse their performance gets. Never been able to test that theory myself though.

I suspect that ban lines and all such similar "special cases" add a great deal to the sim's burden when updating avatar location. It's gotta check, somehow, whether the agent is permitted to go where it's going, and the rules are pretty arcane.

Rendering the ban lines in the viewer, though, should be a gimme.

You had to guess another ban line thread was coming.


Ban Lines: The infatuational saga continues....

ban line have always screamed one thing to me. the owner is ingaged in breaking part of the TOs and is trying to impead those around from seeing itthats the only reason i could possable thing of for using them

It couldn't be that they want to keep the land they PAY for private and not allow free loaders to ruin it.

It couldn't be that they don't want some idiot to come stand next to them and bug the hell out of them while they are doing what ever the hell they want on THEIR land.

It couldn't be that they just don't want you on their land for what ever reason.

Nah, they have to be breaking the TOS.

Personally, I think banlines are one of the most annoying things in SL, but this is drivel. People have banlines because they don't want to be disturbed while working, because they have had bad experiences with people coming onto their land and harassing them or dumping objects on their land, because they are doing something perfectly within TOS that they would like to keep private, or simply because it's their land and they don't see why they should allow anyone else to wander onto it. Given the ease with which you can cam past the lines, using them to hide breaches of the TOS would be pretty pointless.

excatally like i said doing something in violation oif the tos and trying to hide it

all of which are taken care of by other means without appearing rude trying to hide something

i guess i'm just a where there is smoke there is fire kinda of girl only becouse more times then not it has preoven that it is a viable way to deduce things. you get alot of coincidencees lined up and you realise there is nothing coininidental about it

No, it is called protecting private property using the free tools that were given by the system's creators.

The land owner could be rezzing and deleting plywood cubes, if they don't want you on their land, then they don't want you on their land. When you start paying their tier, then you have a right to enter their property.

My powers of deduction, which are considerable, tell me that you are quite possibly barking mad. I could be wrong, of course, but where there's fire there's usually something burning.

I'm no fan of ban lines, but to deduce that those using them are violating the TOS is like saying... saying that people who refuse to use voice must be hiding something.

Any more brilliant deductions?

I quite agree that they can be taken care of by other means, I've owned land for 11 months and only banned 2 AVs, both times because of attacks on the sim as a whole. I've never put up general banlines and I doubt if I ever will.

But to deduce that people must be doing things that breach TOS is nonsense. Most people are probably just carrying over RL notions of privacy and landownership to SL. What coincidences do you think you see? People have banlines up. There are things that are against TOS. Therefore they must be trying to hide TOS breaches. And how do banlines acheive this given that you can cam straight through them? And just out of interest, what activities do you think they are up to that would breach TOS?

I don't know about the server side effect of banlines, but the client side effect is.. my client runs a 50% chance of crashing as it tries to catch on to the fact that it simply can't go there. (These are general banlines, not specific..)

So, for me it's bad, but they are a necessary evil in SL.

How in the world do ban lines impede anyone from looking thru' them? It's not like they're solid walls made up of a solid substance. And how can they be breaking the rules when the game itself put them there for use by the land owners?

One of the main gripes here is ban lines are an eyesore. That in itself is alot of baloney. If that's true then why do you have people-many times the same ones who say they're an eye sore, come here and say they frequently crash into the ban lines because they didn't see them. Huh? If you crashed into them cause you didn't see them then how are they an eyesore?

Unless you walk right up to the ban lines themselves you won't see them. Only at a very short distance can you see them. Do you walk right up to the lines themselves and for what reason?

I don't have any problems with ban lines as I'm sure many others don't either. For the most part many of those who complain about ban lines are the same ones who like to hop around trespassing under the guise of 'exploring' from house to house checking out what others have on their property. Not all, but many do. Besides, who the hell goes around walking or flying from land to land? Only in large malls or shops is it mainly used to hurry about. Other then this you tp where you're going unless you're in a public park or a large place like Acropolis.

Ban lines cause sim crashings? They make people lag, crash? Cause major problems in sl itself? They hurt you, they're spooky? All this is nonsense. If you believe everything they say you would think ban lines are responsible for global warming, hunger in third world countries and the war in Iraq. Now they're responsible for the bad way sl has been acting lately? What's next?

The main reason and probably the only reason they exist is to keep unwanted people out. If you can see them then they're telling you you're not wanted in the area they're surrounding. Plain and simple. Accept it, get used to it and learn to live with it because they're not going anywhere.

No, you are just a nosy, suspiscious, busybody. Ban lines suck. I'd never use them. but people have paid for their space. What they do in it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

LOLOL and ^5

Well I guess this is what you would use them for I use them to keep people out although I rarely if ever use them I have tried banlines, boxes in the sky with banlines just boxes in the sky

If i have something hidden in an odd spot or banlines up it means I dont want people to see what I am doing period. My purpose is because i make skins and clothing and leave a half built avatar online while using another computer to do the rest of the work. I find it annoying when people try to get into my lidded skybox and stand on top of my head. I have come back to my computer to find that there are 3 people peering at my sexless half drawn naked avatar all squished on top of his head crammed into the box just to be nosey (maybe get some free stuff because i often use two avatars and sometimes i have full permissions on the stuff so i dont have to keep giving it to myself they just copy. When I am doing unisex stuff it matters..)

your presumptions are wrong and you need to hold back on your urges to look behind every fence and into every window. In real life would you walk up to your neighbours house and peer in all the windows? Its the same thing here if people have the keep out stuff up it means they want you to stay away as they are busy and they dont want to be bothered and nothing more

i find it highly annoying when I am being used as a peep show for borred nosey people when I am trying to upload and see new changes to what i am making. Keep out means exactly that keep out and nothing more.

Ban lines are visible from about 7 metres. They are an eyesore.
For some residents, 7 metres is half the width of their property. If there are ban lines on both sides, there is no escape from them, without being forced to build screens.
I'd say that the reasons that some people within 7 metres of, or right up to, the boundaries of their own properties could include:
a) Lag, and they overshot
b) because they can
c) exercise
d) they don't know about "Disable Camera Constraints" and stand at their boundary in order to cam further into their neighbours property


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One of the main gripes here is that lag is a problem. That in itself is alot of baloney.