A new form of effective greifing

Malicious false AR's are perhaps the nastiest thing one resident can do to another in SL. I only hope LL are well aware of the damage that can be done by a malicious resident to an innocent one.

LL should do a mandantory age verifcation at the account creating page and everything is fine.
I have heard in the US everybody is innocent until the opposit is prooven???
Right now LL ist closer to the Stasi than to a free world. They can do whatever they like and they don't care what is the truth. Have seen many ppl who lost inventory or L$ without any clearing talk upfront.

A passport takes one day to get in the UK if you go into one of the main metropolitan offices around the UK, it can take up to six weeks with a postal application.

Driving license, passport, proof of age cards etc. are all photo-ids - that photograph is an important part of the chain - the id, otherwise just says that there is a person called ... who is over 18; the photo links it to the person standing in front of you.

A birth certificate on the other hand has no photo id, so the best a birth certificate says is that there is a person call ... who is over 18; it says nothing about the identity of the holder.

If you are faxing a "proof" of age, then it doesn't matter whether the proof of age has a photo id or not. The receiver has no idea who has faxed the id across and whether the person on that id has anything to do with the account in question (OK, if you are a payment info on file, and the credit card name matched the "proof" of age then there is a sporting chance that they are the same person). The photo id would only be of use if LL insisted you flew over to their offices and presented the id in person!

As regards the electoral rolls in the UK - there are two, a public one from which you can opt out, and a complete one. I vaguely recall about 30% (or more) opt out of the public one (mainly because anyone who wants can buy it e.g. for building mailling lists etc). The private one is only made available outside government to credit reference agencies who can only use it for credit reference checks.

Matthew

For 2008, apparently, the figure is 42%.

I did find when searching for this a number of pieces by marketers and checking agencies saying "we advise the public not to do this, simply register with the Mail & Telephone Preference Services". Mmm. Well, they _would_ say that.

A UK birth cert also specifically states on it that it's not to be taken as proof of identity. This is because it's a publically available document of which anyone could obtain an official copy by applying and paying a small fee.

This system of having to repeatedly send in physical copies of important ID documents every time someone challenges one's age is a total nonsense, not to mention dangerous potential ID security loophole.

What's the point of Govt campaigns to persuade everyone that ID theft is serious and to take steps to prevent our info falling into the wrong hands (which it is and we should), if we then are forced to send copies of our personal docs hither and thither, time and again, with who knows getting their grubby hands on it each time.

Well, in fairness it really has nothing to do with guilt versus innocence. As I've said in another thread, it's not a legal proceeding; there's no crime involved.

Rather, it's a case of you making a claim (that you are old enough). Traditionally, the responsibility of proving a claim has always been on the claimant. When LL suspends your account, they are not making a counter-claim that you are underage, they're simply asking you to support your own claim of being old enough - which they're certainly entitled to do.

They are entitled - but, as a customer, you should also be entitled to advance warning and at least some form of notification preferably before but certainly when they suspend the account; there should also be some form of easily accessible process by which you can support your claim; you should only need to support the claim once.

It is this and similar problems with LL support policy (the auto-suspension caused by triggering the Risk API is another one), which is one of the reasons why the "Second Life Grid Platform" is not taken seriously by business. You don't want to log in for an important business meeting only to find that your account has been suspended, and miss the meeting whilst tryng to contact LL to get it re-enabled. As for using SL in education - when students might think it a good prank to ger their lectured suspended by filing false ARs that their lecturer is under age, well...

Matthew

No, and don't call me Shirley.


Malicious AR's are and can be trouble. I once had a psychette threaten me in IM chat to pay several of her friends to submit AR's on me. The scary thing is, she had actually done this before and gotten users temporarily banned. Fortunately for once I was thinking clearly, and pointed out to her that A) I was logging the chat and B) I had taken several screen shots of our conversation. For some reason she never followed through on her threat, but I was not at all positive that she wouldn't . Nice person that I am, I never submitted an AR on her (though Jack Lord knows I had plenty of ammo that I could have used against her.) My point (I think there was one in there someplace) is that, if she had not actually threatened me, and had just done it instead, and/or if I had not been on top of my game that day, I don't know how things would have turned out.

Only applies to Criminal Court cases, and NOTHING else, most ESPECIALLY private entities.



Guess what? That's perfectly legal. It's their service, you don't HAVE to be here, so there are no rights outside what they allow you to have. If you want rights, make your own service, and you can set the rules.

As for the OP's issue, his friend needs to contact LL by phone or letter, and fulfill their requirements for proof of age. If he can't do that, then, well, life's tough.

As with all these anecdotal stories flying around about LL unreasonably banning people over this or that, all I have to say is:

"There are at least three sides to every story, your side, their side, and the truth."

While LL never ceases to amaze me that a company with such significant incompetence on so many levels can continue to exist, for the most part, they do make an effort to do the right thing. A lot of it is a matter of "piercing the corporate veil" and getting to the people behind the walls. Until you do, at times, the crushing weight of corporate indifference can be fully brought to bear on you.