Open... "Life"? Open... "something"? What is this?

Mac I have an issue, get a grid setup for a few freinds to connect to. the issues is this is in a cololation in washington and I can only remote desktop into the box and restart things. now I know its running because I can get the client to connect but I keep getting jammed at waiting for region handshake and the guys on the irc channel keep telling me it's the firewall. um no firewall running on it at all and not even here when I want to play with it )I take the nix hardware firewall out of the loop). any ideas?

Hmm.. I wish I was an expert at this. But, what I did run into was the Windows Firewall. It is on by default in XP and Vista. If it is on and you don't realize it that could be the culprit. Is your box Linux or Windows?

IF it is windows, open your control pannel.. open your firewall then do this:

Open Exceptions tab.
Choose Add Port Button.
Name it OpenSim
Port 9000 (if it is default still)
Leave the TCP radio button checked.

That is how I solved a day worth of frustration trying to get my Wife's PC to connect to my sim. Even though I am totally sharing my PC with her's it still came up.

Otherwise, I don't know. You may ask at SL Universe under the other grids section if nobody comes up with the answer here. There are some pretty smart cookies there that have been through the hoops. hehe

The only thing you want to watch is that they have a firm commitment to the OpenSim group, which LL supports. No matter how good a maverick is right now, the group will eventually surpass them, and you want your personal grid to be able to connect to the Metagrid. One group looked good, but a couple of pages in, it was obvious that they weren't staying with the OpenSim group.

I'll have to make the decision probably next week, figuring this weekend will be spent on the server (keep repeating: Ubuntu is my buddy...). OSGrid is what I've been looking at from the first five or six I looked at, but you guys have come up with a couple of more I missed on the search. RealXtend at least has put time into their webpage...

You don't need that many prims for that.

I mean full detail. No texturing tricks. Everything. You know how that big dome thing is bricks? Yeah. Individual prim bricks.

I'm not really doing that. But I'll make something cool ^-^

To clarify, the 45,000 figure is the record that they have achieved using high end IBM Blade servers. You won't get 45,000 prims on your standalone sim. But it's proof that the Linden 15k limit is arbitrary.

I'm told that all the things that are now "missing" from OpenSim are under development and within the next three years we won't even recognize it. Think about it this way -- we just celebrated SL's 5th birthday, but it had been under development for a couple of years before that.

Patience, grasshopper.

P2

I have a 45000 prim limit on my standalone.

I am sure my PC can sustain it if needed. So, yes.. you can get a 45000 prim limit on your PC.

We have the beta.. errr... preview grid for that already .

Rock Vacirca is blogging his progress with a standalone, and has some useful posts, including a step-by-step guide to installing a standalone sim. Definitely worth bookmarking if you're thinking of running one:

http://rock-vacirca.blogspot.com/

I went in and visited OpenLife on a couple of days. I met some people who had been around for awhile and chatted with them at length. The one thing I took away from the conversation is that OL was very much like the reports of the first year of SL...and that when it's all ready to go and come out of beta, one could expect a major wipe of the asset servers.

Skell.. thanks for the link.

And about the asset wipe, unless you hear it from Sakai or another admin I would not be too sure. They are selling mainland spaces for about 58 bucks a month for a sim and I can't see them wiping people's builds etc which they would have to do to wipe the servers.

There have been no warnings about it on the official forums or FAQs.

It could happen.. but be careful of rumors from people around the grid hehe.

But it is VERY much like SL in the beginning of the beta era. Very fun to watch it grow.

Not necessarily, Des.

Weedy and I have been running an OpenSim grid for over 6 months for simulated training sessions firefighters and HAZMAT responders. Our guests can log in and out at any time, provided the sims are online.

Secondly, you'll never find a better virtual studio for machinima.

We have a library of different sims, which are brought online as needed for the purpose.

Both of these have no need whatsoever for search, economy, transaction history or traffic.

The real beauty of OpenSim, is the ability to integrate your own system of database management. While scripting is limited when compared to LL, it's not bound to SL and "has the freedom to enhance or add additional commands/features/support beyond standard LSL"

When our sims are up, *I* am the governor, with full admin/god mode.

To clarify, perhaps I should say you won't *necessarily* get 45,000 prims on your standalone.

Grats, Mac.

P2

Yeah, and the only way to really know if Mac's sim can accomodate 45,000 prims.. is to load it up with 45,000 prims.. theory vs practice

Oh.. and happy birthday Mac!

Thanks!

OK.. the gauntlet is dropped.

I am going to load a sim with 45K prims and see what happens. If I don't come back then you will know what happened to me.


*breathes deeply* Here I go..

Thanks for the plug Skell

Those who think that a standalone sim is a lonely existance could not be further from the truth.

I have several SL friends who now join me in my standalone to view new build techniques. I have also connected my standalone to OpenGrid, and that works, and there are several Open grids out there you can connect to, if you want company.

The standalone has several advantages over the SL grid if you wish to practice or develop building skills:

1. It is a free sim, no fees, no tier
2. 45,000 prims
3. No lag
4. Never 'down for maintenance'
5. No asset server failures
6. All textures are uploaded free
7. You OWN everything, no ifs, buts, or maybes
8. Peace (if you want it)

There are several disadvantages too, such as incomplete LSL scripting commands. But all the disadvantages are currently being worked on, and they are catching up with LL very fast now, and also have several features not available to SLifers.

Rock

How so? You mean, because you administer the servers you can backup etc. all assets however you want? Or, can you actually create your own schema for assets using some standard database?

TIA!

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I'd be thinking of making a sandbox using prims for each piece of sand whith physical enabled and some sort od script detecting them being wet to build sandcastles

The standalone version has optional database toggles. SQLite, MSSQL and a null storage, but you can integrate other compatible DBs.

yes ^.^

oh and I will have to goto that other forum for help. seems the box I use is a vm machine (yay) and isa is installed on the main machine and it's setup with the ports I requested open 8000-10000 and I am still blocked MS ISA=fail I think, the owner of the cololation will not disable isa on my box either. got a work around????

Grins, knowing you have my opinion already.

It's just so nice to see you in the forums again, ml.

Of course, you can easily do that on the beta grid. Still, it would be nice to be self-sufficient.

It doesn't have to be.
Use another non-graphic client like libsl or other text based client, even second inventory alongside.
you can still connect, works things, answer IM's, communicate, teleport and do other things all while working in your huge opensim with 45,000 prim limit. designing, texturing, clothing etc.

I nearly always test scuplties and textures on sculpties and surfaces on my home sim now. You can test lighting conditions too etc. Plenty of times I see something to improve once it's inworld. AND uploading is as fast as your network.

Happy Gridding

Got ti to work there is aproblem with the latestest version that prevents creating prims. The version before seems to work the ohysics engine is a bit haggard, doesn't like a 40m beachball set to physical, also build height is still limited to 769 but looks promising, time to dust off the backup PC and see if it will run it or connect to it.