Wow, bots are fast
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Lear Cale
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10-03-2007 07:10
From: Amity Slade I don't know specifically how it would be done, but taking a guess, just like bots listen for other events, it might be possible to listen for the opening of a dialog box. It may be possible to listen for putting a check or unchecking the dialog box. Any communication whatsoever between your computer and the Second Life server could be an event that a script could listen for. Or it could be just a coincidence too. Hard to tell, but bots-hearing-what-you-think-is-private is something that fits perfectly into the overall atmosphere of Second Life. Bots are programs running as SL clients. A dialog is an event on a different client. It causes interaction with the server: first, getting the information, and after "OK" is hit, sending the updated information to the server. While the user is fiddling with the dialog but before hitting "OK" or "Apply" or some other button that actually does something, there is no communication between client and server. The bot client can't see any of this behavior. All it can see is the updated information on the sever -- and even in that case, it has to poll for the information. There's no "event" telling it that the information changed and it might want to take a peek. |
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Lear Cale
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10-03-2007 07:26
From: Amity Slade Far-fetched technically, no, not at all. Far-fetched because you trust Linden Labs to put a little bit of security into the server software to make sure certain events cannot be heard by scripts? Well, that depends on what you think of Linden Labs, I guess. It shouldn't be possible. But it wouldn't surprise me that people find security holes in the software and then exploit them to their advantage. Bots don't generally run scripts, instead they are modified client programs. They might use scripts for certain purposes but in general there's no need. A modified client can do a lot more than scripts can do, though no doubt there are some things scripts can do that a client can't. (I don't think a land bot needs any such capabilities, but I'm guessing.) Amity, you don't seem to have much knowledge about scripting, because scripts definitely can't snoop much on internal events regardless of the quality of LL's security. Furthermore, for a client program (bot) to snoop on communications between a server and a different client, it would take some very seriously clever hacking. More than client hacking really, they would have to undermine the security in LL's data network or the network between LL and the user. Someone doing that could far more easily simply steal things than bothering with land sales. Seriously, the level of effort required (not to mention mathmatical brilliance, deep understanding of computer network details and security mechanisms, etc) is very high. Someone with these recondite skills isn't likely to waste them on SL land, FAR more money is to be made elsewhere! It's very easy to assert that "Here there be dragons". But frankly, I doubt it in this case. Far-fetched because we know how these things work, and it would be terribly difficult even with little regard for security on LL's part. I'm a software engineer; I've been working in computer networking for over 20 years; and I currently work for the world's leading vendor of computer networking equipment as a development engineer. I have apretty good insight into how computer networks operate, and some knowledge of how SL communications works, and I believe that it is highly unlikely that a lland bot knows when a dialog box is open. |
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Walker Moore
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10-03-2007 07:30
From: Adz Childs That sounds far-fetched to me. The client has to query the database when it opens that dialog box I suppose, but it seems a rather pointless waste of server resources to be informing every other SL client of such behaviour...which is what must be happening for a random bot to be grabbing the details. I've been setting a parcel of land for sale, reducing the price, setting it for sale again, etc., for the past couple of weeks, but nothing like this has happened. |
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Perwin Rambler
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new sport?
10-03-2007 09:53
no matter if it is possible or not, you got to admit, it would make for a great new sport.
Bot Fishing!!!!
"Wow Bob, you should have seen it, last night I landed 12 bots!! All in a matter of 20 minutes !!!"
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Lear Cale
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10-04-2007 06:42
Is this catch-and-release?  |
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JessyAnne Theas
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10-04-2007 06:46
That would be a seriously fun way to entertain yourself
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Perwin Rambler
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10-04-2007 07:30
Catch and release? Heck no. these are Bots, catch and orbit!!!!. They are client programs, no one to complain!  hehe |
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Love Hastings
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10-04-2007 07:33
Catch and club to death...
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Sweet Primrose
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10-04-2007 07:44
"In ((SL)), bots have ((done)) of all kinds of nasty things" Fixed.  |
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Adz Childs
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10-04-2007 07:50
From: Sweet Primrose "In ((SL)), bots have ((done)) of all kinds of nasty things" Fixed. Of course you know that slnamewatch.com depends on a bot.
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http://slnamewatch.com — Second Life Last Name Tracking — Email Alerts — Famous People Lookup — http://adz.secondlifekid.com/ — Artificial Boy — Personal Blog From: Tofu Linden Hmm, there's nothing really helpful there, but thanks for pasting.
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Sweet Primrose
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10-04-2007 08:22
Pretty clear from the context we're discussing land-bots. |