Another Negative Article about SL
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Melita Magic
On my own terms.
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01-04-2010 17:55
From: Kitty Barnett "finding people was never this hard back in 2006" in particular rang very, very true. SL is becoming more and more of a deserted wasteland with every passing month since the increase in landmass is disproportionate to the increase in concurrency.
Does it seem like SL would be better if there were less land? Which might happen if the land market bottoms out. People will just abandon.
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Jumpman Lane
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01-04-2010 18:05
From: Ephraim Kappler Blah, blah ... Reuters and their bloody in-world correspondent ... blah, blah ... Anshe Chung made a fortune ... blah, blah ... oh noes!? Facebook and Twitter ... blah, blah ... SL's so empty these days ... blah, blah ... joke about not being able to speak French, hur, hur, so British ... blah blah ... hope I'm getting paid by the word ... blah, blah ... controversy about corporates and copulation ... blah, blah ... pretend prostitutes on Zindra, hur, hur, so British ... blah, blah ... wot larks, Pip, eh? ... blah, blah ... land is where the dosh is made you know ... blah, blah ... people buying virtual trinkets, snicker ... blah, blah ... nobody around after three bloody years and THE PUB'S GONE!? ... blah, blah ... And yet, I still can’t help wondering what the point of all this is? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah-de-f@cking blah, blah ...
No nous. No insight. No imagination. No news. heheheh saved me the bother of readingthe article. Edutards, business noobs and The Associated Mess never got Second Life. Never will. we gotta edumacate the saps lmao!
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Yumi Murakami
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01-04-2010 18:30
From: Melita Magic Does it seem like SL would be better if there were less land? Which might happen if the land market bottoms out. People will just abandon. I think it would be much better if buyers had the option to pay lower tier and have their land disappear when they're not logged in.
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Melita Magic
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01-04-2010 18:32
From: Yumi Murakami I think it would be much better if buyers had the option to pay lower tier and have their land disappear when they're not logged in. Interesting idea.
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Ava Glasgow
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01-04-2010 18:46
From: Yumi Murakami I think it would be much better if buyers had the option to pay lower tier and have their land disappear when they're not logged in. /Ava snuggles her little OpenSim and smiles. 
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Anya Ristow
Vengeance Studio
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01-04-2010 19:25
For everyone ridiculing him, here's an exercise for you...
Pretend you are a newbie. Go to one of the info hubs and pretend you've just been dumped there. Set your home there. Now, without cheating and going to a place you already know about, pretend you don't know where anything is.
Tell me what you do to find people. Exactly. As a noob. What tool do you use. What text (exactly) do you type to find stuff?
First assignment: find a conversation worth participating in.
I'm going to start at an info hub of my choosing and follow your instructions, and I'll let you know what I find.
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Argent Stonecutter
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01-04-2010 19:58
From: Anya Ristow Tell me what you do to find people. Exactly. As a noob. What tool do you use. What text (exactly) do you type to find stuff?
I ask people where there's something good. If they don't answer, I head off in a random direction until I see green dots, and ask people again. If I go some place and there's nobody there, I start over. It's what worked for me the first time. Most importantly, ask people. Don't depend on machines, depend on people.
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Scylla Rhiadra
Gentle is Human
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01-04-2010 21:12
From: Argent Stonecutter Most importantly, ask people. Don't depend on machines, depend on people. Sure. But what if all that's available is a ferret?
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Phoenixa Sol
Dance Addict
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01-04-2010 22:25
I took a shot there myself: From: Phoenixa Sol Too narrow minded to be of any use
When one puts on blinders and only looks at a slim negative position, that is what one sees.
On the other hand, I've been in secondlife now for three and a half years and I'm very glad I found it.
You see, in my senior year in high school, just as I was a month shy of graduating, the car I was riding in was hit head on by a drunk driver while we were stopped at a stop sign. I was paralyzed for three days, my left arm for two months. Not only did this bonehead almost destroy all 13 years I worked so hard in school toward my graduation as I was almost unable to go back to school in time, but he also brought an end to 9 years of dancing, 6 years of gymnastics and three years of springboard diving. Laying in a bed having to be fed like a baby, dressed, bathed etc I had a very livid slow burn of hatred for the person who caused this. Fortunately I did regain the ability to move, though I was never again able to enjoy the activities that once filled my every waking hour in some way. I spent THIRTY YEARS locked in an emotional prison separated from my beloved dancing, diving and gymnastics. Lo and behold, in 2006 I read an article in Wired (a fair perspective and open minded article, I might add here) about this new virtual place Secondlife, and I came to check it out. Not only was I thrilled to join, but within a few days discovered that I could dance here. I didn't realize just how much not being able to dance had tormented me for those decades until one day I was filled with pure joy at how well certain animations fit with a certain song. At last, the smile was back in my heart and it was so real for me, I could almost feel the same sensations in my muscles as I used to when I danced.
The grid was relatively new at that time and I found that the variety in available dances in secondlife slightly lacking. Eventually I learned to create my own animations and used them to create a more fulfilling experience. I now sell a few of them and have a moderately successful business. I also film dance videos hosted on blip.tv, myspace and youtube, and even created a dance tutorial on the SL wiki for other people who also might enjoy dancing the way I do. When I want to be around people, it's easy to find them.
Furthermore, your very tunnel-visioned article says nothing of the many good works the secondlife residents have contributed to real life causes. Everything from relay for life, contributions after disasters, and even many inworld agencies helping people of all walks of life with disabilities and other issues. I've met many people who are disabled like I am, whose offline lives are greatly enhanced by their secondlife existance.
Maybe the next time you come traipsing into secondlife, wallowing through the sex alleys, you might try taking the blinders off and aiming to see more of secondlife and the variety of experiences in it. Go someplace like Inspire Space Park, I've never seen that place empty.
I dare you.
/me shrugs, walks away and goes back to her dancing.
By PhoenixaSol on 5 Jan 2010
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Pussycat Catnap
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01-04-2010 22:47
From: Melita Magic Hope she didn't mind having that put on the 'net. The first thing I did on reading the article was log in and search her profile. If the writer had spent 5 second reading the description that came with that profile pick... But he clearly didn't. If I recall it was a musing over the wonderful design of a now gone build.
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Pussycat Catnap
Sex Kitten
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01-04-2010 22:52
From: Anya Ristow For everyone ridiculing him, here's an exercise for you...
Pretend you are a newbie. Except he's not a newbie, he's a journalist. He's got a professional standard he's supposed to live up to that requires research. You don't get Tom Brokaw flying into Iraq and looking around, and then coming on the news and saying: "Looks like they's just got a bunch Ae-Rahbs all up in this place. And they's mad 'bout someth'n. Huh. Go figure." He'd get fired... hopefully... O.o
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Mickey Vandeverre
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01-05-2010 00:31
From: Anya Ristow For everyone ridiculing him, here's an exercise for you...
Pretend you are a newbie. Go to one of the info hubs and pretend you've just been dumped there. Set your home there. Now, without cheating and going to a place you already know about, pretend you don't know where anything is.
Tell me what you do to find people. Exactly. As a noob. What tool do you use. What text (exactly) do you type to find stuff?
First assignment: find a conversation worth participating in.
I'm going to start at an info hub of my choosing and follow your instructions, and I'll let you know what I find. Private IM's, Anya. Followed by Dancing.  Make sure you have a few transferrable tuxes on hand. And shoes. Give the guy some nice shoes.
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Gummi Richthofen
Fetish's Frasier Crane!
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01-05-2010 02:49
From: Amaranthim Talon Aside from all the things SL does fail at, the lag, the poor introduction for noobs, etc- this so called journalist is Epic Fail. He set out to find what he found- emptiness. He should find more in himself first before he looks outside. So what you are saying is, he didn't investigate properly and formed a false impression as a result? Rewind! The guy is a JOURNALIST. You can get a very clear idea of his investigative skills by doing EXACTLY WHAT YOU SUGGEST HE SHOULD DO and READ HIS OTHER ARTICLES. Otherwise you commit the sin you accuse him of, by "bringing yourself to find what you want". Seems to me that the strongest smell here is that of rank, ouright hypocrisy. Nobody here is mounting any campaigns to repress either sly sexual predators, or shabby money-grubbing schemes - the most they can bring themselves to say is "huh, noob". Anyone who has travelled widely enogh in Europe would recognise this attitude as a Virtual France...
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Argent Stonecutter
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01-05-2010 02:51
From: Scylla Rhiadra Sure. But what if all that's available is a ferret? Then you're in Lusk.
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Argent Stonecutter
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01-05-2010 02:53
From: Pussycat Catnap Except he's not a newbie, he's a journalist. He's got a professional standard he's supposed to live up to that requires research. That, too.
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Gummi Richthofen
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01-05-2010 02:54
From: Pussycat Catnap Except he's not a newbie, he's a journalist. He's got a professional standard he's supposed to live up to that requires research.
You don't get Tom Brokaw flying into Iraq and looking around, and then coming on the news and saying:
"Looks like they's just got a bunch Ae-Rahbs all up in this place. And they's mad 'bout someth'n. Huh. Go figure."
He'd get fired... hopefully... O.o Tom Brokaw isn't ALLOWED to fly into Iraq without guides and helpers. The equivalent you are looking for is John Simpson getting into Afghanistan in a Burqa; and he writes extensively on how tedious that turned out to be. Seems to me that Collins simply wrote up what happened to him - and again, the criticism is so easy to turn on it's head: if the noob experience is so poor, and yet the other threads in the forum spend all their time bitching about bots, then how come all the opinion-formers here can't get their finger out and make a noob-guiding bot, so this kind of thing doesn't happen? Oh yes, I get it - because the object of the game here is to be able to point and yell "noob!" at ten minute intervals. Which is what happens. There is no upside for virgin explorers. That has next to nothing to do with Linden Labs, because communities never form from the top down - the only community findable here is a community of complaint.
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Gummi Richthofen
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01-05-2010 03:02
From: Phoenixa Sol I took a shot there myself: So you did, but ask yourself some questions: 1) could it have been that your discovery was a side-effect of the point in time that you found SL? 2) What have you done lately to help and foster either/or disabled users, those interested in dance, or noobs in general? If SL is just a wonderful experience for people who happen to have arrived in 06/07, who them promptly lay in wait like chameleons on a stick for noobs to laugh at, then you can hardly be surprsied when people find it a poor past-time. (PS i put my hand up here: I find the dance clubs to be echoingly soul-dead places. A lot of marionettes are literally, jerking around, burning up CPU cycles for exactly nothing. Most of the people driving them say nothing more than "WOOOOOOOOOOT!" every so often - they could be watching a locally stored .flv file on a 10-second loop, with a 2kbps text chat stream running alongside it, for all the "originality", "creativity" or "expression" inherent in what they are doing. Yet they believe it is something real and special. Fact is, the Nintendo Wii has done *far* more for physicality, physiotherapy, proprioception and dance than god-only-knows how many gigawatt-hours of wasted repetition on SL...)
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Lance Corrimal
I don't do stupid.
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01-05-2010 03:02
i think the problem here is that it takes a non-noob to guide a noob...
and the places where noobs start out at are totally unattractive and in some cases not accessible at all for non-noobs...
and by the time the noob actually arrives at point X (point x being any given location in SL where the noob could actually mingle with non-noobs in any useful way), the noob already formed an opinon.
usually, maybe influenced by the pond scum that preys on the unwary at infohubs and newb island, that opinion includes "SL is a big brothel".
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Lance Corrimal
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01-05-2010 03:12
From: Gummi Richthofen I find the dance clubs to be echoingly soul-dead places. A lot of marionettes are literally, jerking around, burning up CPU cycles for exactly nothing. Most of the people driving them say nothing more than "WOOOOOOOOOOT!" every so often - they could be watching a locally stored .flv file on a 10-second loop, with a 2kbps text chat stream running alongside it, for all the "originality", "creativity" or "expression" inherent in what they are doing. THAT. REPEATEDLY.
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From: Ralektra Breda Your maturity rating is directly reflected by the number of question marks you place at the end of a question. From: Lindal Kidd Those who enter any virtual world with the main purpose of making money at it...probably won't.
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Winter Ventura
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01-05-2010 04:24
I don't remember LL ever lowering the prices on inworld classifieds or asset uploads., Was I AFK? From: someone When a sharp decline in property sales threatened to send Second Life into a mini-recession of its own at the end of 2008, Linden slashed the fees for services, such as in-world classified advertising and uploads, to stimulate the economy. If Alistair Darling needs a job next spring, he knows where to send his CV. And just imagine the eyebrows on his avatar...
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Yuukie Onmura
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01-05-2010 04:44
From: someone usually, maybe influenced by the pond scum that preys on the unwary at infohubs and newb island, that opinion includes "SL is a big brothel".
http://secondlife.eregion.de/2009/11/11/the-drawbacks-of-zindra/
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Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
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01-05-2010 04:51
Looking around the site, it appears pretty much nobody actually reads "PC Pro" except for a few SL folks drawn over by this thread.
I wonder if it was this empty three years ago?
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Gummi Richthofen
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01-05-2010 04:57
From: Qie Niangao Looking around the site, it appears pretty much nobody actually reads "PC Pro" except for a few SL folks drawn over by this thread.
I wonder if it was this empty three years ago? What a very strange thing to conclude! Is this sthe investigatory standard you'd like applied to SL, or some kind of modern-day attempt at a gypsy's curse? PC Pro ran a 500-seat black tie awards dinner late last year, based on UK reader surveys and industry sponsors - what did a) Linden Labs or b) the user community (hah!) do in the same period, other than take the piss out of "noobs"?
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
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01-05-2010 05:59
From: Anya Ristow For everyone ridiculing him, here's an exercise for you...
Pretend you are a newbie. Go to one of the info hubs and pretend you've just been dumped there. Set your home there. Now, without cheating and going to a place you already know about, pretend you don't know where anything is.
Tell me what you do to find people. Exactly. As a noob. What tool do you use. What text (exactly) do you type to find stuff?
First assignment: find a conversation worth participating in.
I'm going to start at an info hub of my choosing and follow your instructions, and I'll let you know what I find. I enjoyed the gesture mob that was in Hanja for a couple weeks, then I used search. I searched for "Anime", "Kawaii", and "Neko". From that, I found what turned out to be some of the longest term friends I've ever met. (^_^) It's the advice I always give: Think of something you like and make keywords of it. Use those keywords in search and see what you find. If you can pair up a cluster of mini-map green dots with a place you found in your search, odds are, you just found potential friends. (^_^)y He used the "Showcase" and seeked out sex... Such direction is destined to fail. (=_=)
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Argent Stonecutter
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01-05-2010 06:11
From: Gummi Richthofen if the noob experience is so poor, and yet the other threads in the forum spend all their time bitching about bots, then how come all the opinion-formers here can't get their finger out and make a noob-guiding bot, so this kind of thing doesn't happen? Oh yes, I get it - because the object of the game here is to be able to point and yell "noob!" at ten minute intervals. Because you need people, not bots. I spend time helping n00bs in welcome areas and help islands. Do you?
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