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How can I uplaod DVD's to view in sl?

Daemon Noel
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11-11-2007 14:45
I have several favorite movies (old classics) on dvd's at home in rl. Iwould like to watch them at home in sl. I've read the articles on streaming videos into SL. They only refer to streaming from URL's Can I upload from a dvd in my pc in RL? I've run out of ideas and you appreciate the help. thanks
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11-11-2007 15:17
That would kinda be copyright infringement.
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11-11-2007 15:22
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11-11-2007 15:55
short answer:
no.

long answer:
That's a very bad idea.

I mean you could, using multpile textures, and texture animation, 4 frames per texture, 30 frames per second, 2 hours long, that'll be about 54000 texture uploads, at a cost of 540,000$L or about ~2k$US... and a scripter to put it all together... in about 180 scripts (key overheard for textures)

sure go ahead, let me know when you finish so I can come over and watch with you.... I'll bring popcorn, my treat =)

seriously, your only sensible option is to convert to quicktime, host on a server that does streaming, and watch that way....
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Lee Ponzu
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Interesting...
11-12-2007 09:32
So, you own the DVDs, and you have a way to upload them to a server, and then stream them, and then view them from inside SL on a virtual TV.

This looks like pretty much the same thing as Playing the DVD on your PC, to me, so I don't see any likely copyright issue. Even if you invite a few friends over to your SL TV to watch....

There is also a device called, I think, Slingbox, that streams *your* TV signal to the internet so you can watch it from anywhere. You have to have good upload speeds, I would imagine.

Now, if you started using this technology in such a way that you harmed any copyright owners, then you would have ethical issues, and if they sue you, you would have legal issues.
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11-12-2007 09:52
There are laws about showing things like movies in public or online without a license.
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11-12-2007 09:57
Pretty sure all the good TVs in SL allow you to add in all different kinds of videos in different formats that are located on your PC. It's done with notecards in the TVs contents or whatever.
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11-12-2007 10:27
From: Lee Ponzu
and you have a way to upload them to a server, and then stream them


And this exactly is the part protected by copyright law. Baaad idea.
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11-12-2007 10:41
From: Lee Ponzu
This looks like pretty much the same thing as Playing the DVD on your PC, to me, so I don't see any likely copyright issue. Even if you invite a few friends over to your SL TV to watch....


The legal problems with the MPAA begin with ripping the DVD to make a copy hosted on an external server. That's a definite IP violation, especially if the server is intended to stream the media back to the public.

Second, there is no such thing as a "private" performance of media in SL. Since you can disable camera constraints - there really is no privacy in-world, and you'd be very hard-pressed to prove there is.

Basically, every single "video rental/purchase" store in SL is violating the law, unless they've secured a license from the copyright holders of that media.
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11-12-2007 10:59
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short answer:
no.

long answer:
That's a very bad idea.

I mean you could, using multpile textures, and texture animation, 4 frames per texture, 30 frames per second, 2 hours long, that'll be about 54000 texture uploads, at a cost of 540,000$L or about ~2k$US... and a scripter to put it all together... in about 180 scripts (key overheard for textures)

sure go ahead, let me know when you finish so I can come over and watch with you.... I'll bring popcorn, my treat =)

seriously, your only sensible option is to convert to quicktime, host on a server that does streaming, and watch that way....

You forgot the sound uploads ^^
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11-12-2007 11:41
From: Sae Luan
There are laws about showing things like movies in public or online without a license.


Yes, the problem comes in is if you charge or profit from it. There are always copyright issues, but if you only showing it on your own parcel for personal use, shouldn't be a problem. Look at people who have designer clothes on SL.
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11-12-2007 11:59
But if you stream it from a server, it is not only on your own parcel. Stream urls can easily be ripped. Besides, the uploading in itself violates copyright law and, if the dvd is copy guarded, the ripping too.

And it is not only illegal if you make a profit - showing it PUBLICLY is in most cases not covered by the terms of use granted by the copyright holder.
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11-12-2007 13:06
step one : convert DVD to mpeg, search google there are many easy ways to do this

step two: upload your mpeg to your webserver

step three: set the URL of your movie on your webserver in your land media settings and set the texture whatever texture you want to use for your screen

step four: put the same texture you have in your land settings on a prim

step five: hit play

Enjoy!
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11-12-2007 13:40
From: Ike Fairweather
Yes, the problem comes in is if you charge or profit from it. There are always copyright issues, but if you only showing it on your own parcel for personal use, shouldn't be a problem. Look at people who have designer clothes on SL.


This is one of the biggest misconceptions about copyright. You violate copyright the instant you use someone else's work in a way they have not licensed or approved. As a matter of fact, making NO money can actually get you in deeper trouble...especially if you're giving away, for free, what the copyright holder sells for a profit.

There are four factors used to determine Fair Use of copywritten material, and they are as follows:

1. The nature of the use. (How are you using the copyrighted material?)
2. The nature of the copyrighted work. (What was it made for?)
3. The amount of the work used. (How much of the copyrighted material are you using?)
4. The effect of the use on the potential market or value of the copyrighted work. (Are you causing the copyright holder to lose money?)

Streaming a DVD you've rented or bought would clearly NOT fall under the Fair Use provisions because:

1. You're using the work as a piece of public, rather than private entertainment by ripping and replaying it in SL.

2. The work was intended to either be shown in a theatre, or rented/sold/distributed only under license. It was made to make money for the movie studio, in other words.

3. You're using the entire work...not just a sample.

4. Every time you publically play your DVD, you've eliminated the need for your audience to pay the publisher for their own copy. That's robbing the studio of revenue.
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11-12-2007 16:09
From: Argent Asbrink

Second, there is no such thing as a "private" performance of media in SL. Since you can disable camera constraints - there really is no privacy in-world, and you'd be very hard-pressed to prove there is.


Not that i'm arguing it's legal at all, but putting your cam over land won't play the media. You actually have to be on the land to get the video/audio streams.
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11-12-2007 16:46
From: Raske Soyer
Not that i'm arguing it's legal at all, but putting your cam over land won't play the media. You actually have to be on the land to get the video/audio streams.


You're right. About the only way to argue that something was a private performance would be to restrict the parcel to list access, and slap up the banlines. That might handle the public performance aspect - but not the ripping-to-server concerns.
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11-12-2007 17:28
From: someone
step one: put DVD in player
step two: sit on sofa
step three: press play
step four: keep eyes mainly directed at screen
step five: listen also
Fixed that. :p
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11-13-2007 03:55
Just got to thinking about this post. Some old classic movies are considered "Public Domain", such as George Romero's classic "Night of the Living Dead". Movies like this should be legally viewable, as I have a stream on my residential property that shows these "public domain" films.

They were showing "House on Haunted Hill" with Vincent Price the last time I checked. ;)
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11-13-2007 04:34
From: Argent Asbrink
You're right. About the only way to argue that something was a private performance would be to restrict the parcel to list access, and slap up the banlines. That might handle the public performance aspect - but not the ripping-to-server concerns.

A custom client can happily harvest all the media URLs from parcels as it pleases. Ban-lines also don't stop someone sitting their avatar above your home and then camming in.

Beyond that; there are services out there that offer movies in SL in exchange for L$. See if they have or can get the movie, that way they're the one done for copyright if they aren't doing it legitimately. Although I don't see how they can be done legitimately, in light of the above (anyone can get the media URLs with a custom client or from the parcel owner handing it out). Unless they have a license to stream the content to an unlimited number of people or some other way of cover themselves, then they are breaking copyright law as well.
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11-13-2007 05:16
From: Okiphia Rayna
You forgot the sound uploads ^^

thanks, totally forgot that!
uhm lesse, 72k seconds, in 10seond clips, that's another 72kl$, forget the scripts and US$.... and don't forget the fee for a private island to make it legiimate vis-a-vis copyright....

FYI, assuming you ran your own streaming server from home and banned anyone else from the land, you could do it... of course the madness of streaming to your own parcel just to see what's on your local HD (despite incurring no connection overhead, just massive cpu usage) is just a bit insane... but doable =)

heck don't bother banning anyone, just make the local server url relative, edit the hosts file, and poof home movies only you can watch.

me I think I'd just put the tv next to the monitor, owh wait, already done so I can watch heroes =)
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11-13-2007 06:05
Daemon Noel, first off, they are probably copyrighted, however, you did say classic movies and the copyright has expired on many them.

There are already SL-capable streams, available for free, that air various classic dramas, comedies, cartoons, action/adventure, and more. You can use these URLs, free of charge, on your land to watch with friends.

You can find the various channels / streams here:

http://www.americafree.tv/index.shtml

This is all 100% legal as well, and easy. I hope this helps. There is also a free video-on-demand service, web based, that I run here that is compatible with CrystalShard's excellent FreeView played:

http://www.SLGuide.com

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11-13-2007 06:08
A comment from Europe on ripping a DVD: Here, at least, it is considered fair use to rip to a different format for personal use, despite what the studios would like to have you believe. The famous precedence-setting case was "DVD Jon", who published the DVD decryption algorithms. It was deemed legal to decrypt your DVDs for use on a different player.
Indeed, it may well be illegal for the studios to restrict how you personally use the product you have bought, and the iTunes store, for example, has been forced to change their DRM policy to comply with basic consumer rights in several European countries.

That, of course, still does not make it legal to upload the movies for others to use.

Or, as put by XKCD: http://xkcd.com/86/
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Ok.... got the idea
07-11-2008 09:23
Yep, researched this on my own as well, so that's a no-go.

Curious though, so if I buy a movie in-world, and have people over to my house to watch it, how would the rules apply?

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07-11-2008 11:08
Well, this is what I do:

Step 1: I goez to the local DVD Movie place in SL and buy a movie for L$800-1000 (which is bout $3-4.
Step 2: Bringz it home to my Daddy's Big screen TV.
Step 3: Invitez some friendz over.
Step 4: Makez some popcorn and get a drink.
Step 5: Have everyone startz the movie at the same time so we can make comments and funny gestures through out the movie.

Enjoy. Meg
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07-11-2008 12:00
From: Daemon Noel
into SL. They only refer to streaming from URL's Can I upload from a dvd in my pc in RL? I've run out of ideas and you appreciate the help. thanks

I haven't tried this with SL but have in other areas. Take a look at VLC, it allows you to open a DVD and network stream it and create a URL that you open from somewhere else. It will create RTSP if I remember right?
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
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