I Can Turn Off Your Stupid Facelight!

I saw this via Torley's twitter and thought I would share:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/2846589818/

In the 1.21 viewer, we will be able to turn off attached lights, and attached particle emitters. It affects ALL attached lights and emitters, allowing lights and emitters that are not attached to avatars to continue doing their thing.

In other words, while some of you parade around in a wash of light that disturbs ecosystems for miles, with just a couple of mouseclicks you're sitting in the dark and I can see just how bad that L$5000 skin you bought really is. And, this will make it much harder for griefers to hide behind a sea of particles, making ARs difficult.

Woohoo!!

/me jumps up and down.

Oh yeah?
Well, buster, I can turn off your ugly AVATAR and turn it into a mute gray silhouette.
So don't mess with the facelight, if youse know what's good for youse.

Seriously...individual viewer customization is great, up to a point. Where do individual rights to see the world the way they want end, and the need to have some sort of common standard, some ground truth we can all agree on, begin?

Yay! I see it in the RC viewer! Sounds like good stuff! Totally breaks my flashlights though. I'll have to put a note on that.

In the other thread about this (woohoo! I was first by 10 minutes )

Older versions of the viewer that need facelights can keep them. Newer versions where face lights wash out the colors in a giant radius can turn them off. It's a nice function to have. It's good for both versions

Fine if you want me to LOOK like a monkey turn the thing off. I personally don't want to look at myself and blow chunks so it stays on. Deal with it!

It's my delusional, hallucination! It will look however I want it, including the gray avatars, prims and sky!

I like things like this, because it allows me a certain feeling of control in how I want to view SL. Plus, it allows me to have nicely done local lights work as intended, in spite of the person with the overblown face light.

Where it gets to the point that your inability to see things you don't want to causes trouble for others. Maybe if it gets to where your viewer can't recognize the existence of other avatars because you don't want to deal with other people, and consequently, you are crashing into people, disrupting events, etc.

Other than that, you should be able to pretty much set it up however you want.

(I'm using "you" in the generic sense, Not to single out Lindal)

Ahh, how subjective our reality truly is. When you look at the sky, is the blue you see really the blue I see?

becareful with this it might make some lazy skin desingers accually have to work for there L$ and design skin that looks good without a face light

I think this has to, regrettably, be a rhetorical question, Lindal. When Windlight was deployed with extensive viewer controls and virtually no parcel controls, LL abandoned builders and artists who wished to create beautiful, uniform visual experiences for residents.

In practical terms, this means I bought a shirt the other day that looks great on the poster and suckerific on me, and when I contacted the creator, I received a notecard of windlilght settings that would make that shirt look good!

meh. In my book, these fine-grain viewer controls will accelerate SL becoming a homogenous world of bland builds and flatly textured clothing/skins etc.. To create something that all users see in the same way, it will be necessary to go to the lowest common visual denominator.
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People with face lights that just light up their face are not really the issue. Not for me, anyway.

It's the people that have a dozen large radius, high intensity lights that white out everything and everyone around them. I see this all the time and it really drives me nuts because virtually _every_ _single_ _time_ I've taken the time to talk to the person about it, they have no idea what they look like to other people - they never have local lights enabled.

Though I'm delighted to see this rendering option added to 1.21, I don't think it's the real fix to the lighting plague. This is sorta like fixing the ad farm problem by adding a "mute all parcels under 512m2" feature..

hehe my RL brother and I used to have discussions like that all the time

I never tested it but what about things attached to self, does it turn those off too?

cuz as mentioned it does break other stuff such as flashlights, if the user mainly just wants to turn off other's lights and particles

I will have to test that

I think it should be so you see your own, but not others

/checks calendar

... yep, that explains everything.

You can't be a nonconformist if you don't drink coffee. (^_^)y

Well... I can turn off YOUR facelight, so there.

LMAO excellent.

Since I think a lot of the problem is that people don't know how they look, I like this option!

If you feel that way, you can always adjust your Windlight settings and increase the ambient light. No monkey, no facelight.

Your experience with the shirt shows that it's not just a rhetorical question, or a philosophical one like "is your blue my blue" in the real world. I agree with you about the risk of sinking to the lowest common denominator; it's very real.

This is why I almost always leave my Windlight settings at the default values, unless I am out dancing and want midnight instead of noon, or I'm taking photographs.

I suspect builders and artists will have to start adding notecard givers to their builds, with "best viewed at ..." information. Like your shirt vendor.

This reminds me of the issue with newer web browsers that allow users to change, on THEIR browser, how web sites are displayed.

They can change font sizes, colours, backgrounds, turn images on and off, etc. This, of course, annoys the heck out of us web authors who spend hours designing a page to a client's specifications.
On the other hand, it allows web users to get rid of elements on poorly designed pages if they don't like them.

What it comes down to is that few users actually bother to mess around with styles. And so, if a web page is nicely designed, doesn't slow things down and delivers the goods appropriately, people aren't going to waste time changing things around.

I'm guessing the same thing could be said for these new customizations. If your avatar isn't annoying someone, they're not likely to fiddle with it once the novelty wears off.

Its a lost cause I think Lindal.

I think that ----

The answer is going to be ...

The viewer has 100% control of how they wish to render things,

You have 0% say in how you get rendered.

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Much as it is aggrivating because avatars/things wont look like you wanted to others,

Or even when you are buying things.

Handing out windlight settings to make a clothing item work? unless everyone is using the same setting - that is ridiculous.

What this boils down to is: most people don't care how others look. They care about their own avatar far more than they care about anyone else's, unless the look is strikingly different in a positive or negative way. So all the facelighters who argue that they want other people to see them in a certain way - yeah, okay, but most people don't care and are going to turn off your light(s) now that the debug feature is available, leaving only those who care to use lights to see them.... and begging the question, why do that when you could just change your Windlight setting anyway?

This is awesome. Just awesome. I always hated having to turn off ALL local lights just because one or two persons around me wanted to go nucular. Or, removing all particles to be rid of the excesive bling. Yep, this is awesome.