Security with out deeding?

Does anyone have a product suggestion for a home security system that I don't have to deed to the land owner? The land lord is who I am trying to keep out!!

Thanks

Have you considered moving instead?

The landlord will be able to delete any such device?

Sure. It's called, "move."

The landlord owns the land so they can get rid of any objects you place on the property. Remember you are really only leasing/renting here. If you "purchased" the property from an estate owner, bottom line is they own the land not you. You are basically leasing/renting it from them. Same thing with mainland if you are leasing/renting from them. Besides most covenants require you add the estate owner/manager to any security orb. Revisit the covenant.

Seriously.... LL owns it all of the land in sl.

Why is the landlord invading your home? Have you spoken to them about the situation? If the landlord won't stop, your only option is to move.

Deeding can only be done to groups so presumably the land is owned by a group. Deeding the security device to the group does not allow the group owner to stay within range of the device any more than it allows other people to stay within range. The group owner will be removed just like anyone else. However, as Ee said, the group owner, and those on the group who have the ability, can return the security device to you.

I don't know the details of other security devices but I do know the one that I sell. It takes the person who rezzes it to be in complete charge, even after it is deeded to a group or even if it is sold while it is still rezzed. The one who rezzes it is the boss and nobody can change that, and deeding it to a group does not give anyone else any ability to command it. The boss is in complete charge. The only way that the landlord could get round it is to return it to you (remove it). I don't know if that's of any interest or not, but I thought I'd mention it.

Having said that, the best course of action, imo, is to move away from a landlord who keeps invading your privacy.

You can't do that.

Speaking as a landlord, I won't allow any security device that keeps me from inspecting my own properties.

You CAN deed your security device to the land group, or owner, and you can put said owner on the device's black list. If you were renting from me, and you did that, I would ask you to re-set the device to allow me access. If you refused, you'd be homeless.

If you really, really dislike your landlord, move.

If you really dislike landlords in general, buy (do not rent) mainland.

LOL..not the exact answers I was hoping for, but the one I suspected.
My landlady is just nuts and I was stupid enough to prepay by 2 months. She has come into the house and removed walls, doors, windows...

You know that saying if it appears to be too good to be true, it probably is? Well, this is the text book example of it!!

I will have to deal with it or lose my money.. thanks for the answers.

Just curious, as to why? Why would the landlady do that? Are the walls, doors, windows, something about them against the covenant? (IS there a covenant? Estate or mainland?) As an estate manager I just can't imagine doing that. I also don't allow security devices unless I'm added to the access list, and don't allow red banlines either.

Might want to check around for the right landlord. True, a landlord can defeat anything simply by returning the orb, but there is a lot of variance in philosophy out there.

"Blind justice" ~ there's an old joke that says Lady Justice is blind, not because she's being fair without favouritism but because she's just tired of seeing it all.

Here's an example: Say you have a large estate. You know there are skyboxes up there. You know Aunt Bea has been fancying a fellow at her virtual bridge club and thinks he is 'distinguished' as opposed to ancient. Now ask yourself ~ would you rather peep into Aunt Bea's skybox when they got together, or cut your own virtual eyes out so you didn't have to look?

That's kinda how it is for most estate owners.

Some go even farther, just on principle, or desire for less drama.

"No unwarranted search or seizure" for instance. Unless I have some reason to believe that there's something funny going on, I won't mess with anyone's private stuff or even look at it. It's also a great way to ensure that snoops never desire to be one of your estate managers ~ they would get more in trouble for snooping than most anything they would report on.

It's pointless to invade privacy on the grid anyway; there is plenty of titillating, shocking, naughty, gossipy, whateveryouwant brazenly trying to attract attention in public as it is. Usually in an inane attempt to gain $L somehow.

So yeah, waaaay up in the sky there are plenty of skyboxes that probably lock me out unless I went to some trouble defeating it... but I really don't care. Take a skybox 3 km up, even with 512m draw distance I won't even know it's there unless I've been flying straight up for 2.5 kilometers. The really private crowd might put something at 10, 50 or 100 kilometers up (quite do~able in spite of some rez issues).

ouch.

Lest I sound like a heartless landlady myself, this is pretty outrageous behavior. I would talk to her first, find out what her reasons are. If you find them unreasonable, tell her politely that you think you won't be able to live comfortably with her restrictions, and ask politely for a refund of unused rent.

If you rent again, rather than purchase (and there are MANY good landlords out there!), don't pay for more than a week, until you're comfortable with the situation.

I've got one case (ongoing, right now) where someone's windows are taking up about 10% of total frame time on a region.

They are scripted. Badly.

Luckily the region is fairly lightly loaded, so I just sent a note... but there are cases where it's reasonable to take down windows sometimes.

Another person was building with skidz prims (scripted) and that was fine... except she left thousands of them with the script inside intact. Oof. Fortunately she got my note before I had to return it.

On a technical note: in order for a security device to eject or teleport someone home, it has to be owned by the land's owner (be that individual or group). Without that, the most it can do is push someone (and there are ways to defeat that, without any special powers).

But that's beside the point really, because the owner can simply delete the device, as mentioned above.

I agree that your first recourse should be to ask why -- maybe there's a sane reason (though a reasonable landlord would explain without being asked). If you don't get a reasonable answer, the second option is to simply be as boring as possible and hope she turns her irrationality elsewhere, while you look for new land.

I find that being boring is often the most effective way to combat griefers. Admittedly, there are cases where it doesn't apply. But in the cases where they're after a reaction, if you don't give them one, they go find fun elsewhere.

Well she doesn't have to come on the land or be in the house to remove walls, so I think the orb is a bad idea. The only thing it will do is possibly make her even more nuts.

I would bet dollars to donuts that you have a prim overage, haven't heeded the warnings from your rental box, and she removed your walls to get your attention.

Of course, I could be wrong, but that is the most likely scenario for anyone to start returning your things. If it were me, I'd remove primmy items or just return the whole shabang if it went on for too long.

I used to live on an island where a neighbor put up a bunch of nasty neon signs against covenant. The landlady built him a fence to shield our neighborly eyes from his ugliness, and a warning.

He returned the fence. Guess what the landlady did?

Well, if you can rezz an unsuspicious object deeded to the land that contains some unsuspicious script.....everything else you can do remotely.

The landlord can return items from the estate menus without even entering your land, if you are on a private estate.

You are speaking of items from the top scripts list?

lol. I wonder if the OP has muted their landlady, resulting in such bizarre behavior. TALK TO HER.

That, and I think you can return all of any particular avatar's scripted objects.

I don't have an estate manager control panel to look at right now.

Right, that's also under top scripts, under the debug menu.

They can also cam in. A security orb would only serve to annoy the landlord.

estate and world>debug>return users object>username> return

just returned all my items on a build lastnight doing just that.

YES! Thank you BigMoe.