Infohubs, A definitive answer please.

This has already been doen Neva - the large T-shirt shop directly across from the InfoHUB has a free meeting place, some camping and free instruments to use with freebies for all. But the Bear Buddies sitting and chatting is the first discovery for new players rezzing there. Many stay and join in on the chat (the Bear Buddies start at 6AM and by noon their numbers double). After a few hours with the Bear Buddies many of these new players have the impression it is their God-given right to plop down in any public area they want and sit there until their harddrive rusts. Yesterday I had a DJ that is a Bear BUddie completing his final (in which he djs for one hour in front of people). Many of the Bear Buddies came to support him. I announced I was going to invite people from my group also. Cam pointed out that there were enough people there, that the sim was too laggy now anyway - and if I invited my crew many of them would nto be able to get into the sim since we were already at over 30 in the sim. I do nto argue for argument's sake. I complied and we all danced and enjoyed the new DJ for that hour.

But Cam's group cannot always take precedence over any gathering in the sim. This is a wandering group of chatters - not tier paying residents of Bear Sim. Since 2005 no land owner in Bear sim has ever said I was over using the Bear resources.

mainland sims never remain the same it always reverts to you MUST buy what you want. If you dont buy the whole sim will it change? Of course one of SL's constants is it is never constant.

It doesnt mean you have to like the changes. It also doesnt mean others must change to suit others.

Its simply life on SL's mainland.

Another thing to note here, if you want to use the "You own X portion of the sim so you get Y number of people that can be there at any one time." argument. Blady's land is 4000 square Meters and is said should only have 5 people on it at any given point of time. The Bear Info Hub is almost 6000 square meters, in terms of a whole sim not much larger so would it not then be fair to say that only 6 or 7 people should be their at any one time?

At any rate, both party are fighing over a significant amount of very low resources. If either need 20+ people to be able to access and area at any given time, they should find a more appropriate sim. As it stand Blady only really need 10 to 12 spots max during the North Amarincan day. The 20+ figure is only at those times where she has to be at the warehouse to oversee things there, and have a business meeting at the same time. I actually got stuck with a class because she had a meeting because of a scheduling error. She is busy and has a lot to do and on her mind, I am not surprised she gets testy.

we purchase area and prims, not AV slots.

Blady, I'm sorry but this attitude is crap. The point of "public" is that it is public. They do have a right to plop down there and stay all day if they want, especially if it is Linden owned land. Since when are chatters and loiterers illegal and despised in SL? That describes 90% of the user base who is mainly here to socialize.

I frankly find it appalling that someone who is a Mentor is copping this kind of attitude.

THIS JUST IN: The Bear Buddies just put their money where their mouths are and rented a plot of land in Bear Sim. They call their group Bear co-op and they wear the tags Bear Co-op Mentors. I saw one of them handing out the new tag to some folks in the infoHub and stating that they now owned that parcel and now no one can tell them that they cannot be there anymore. I hope that this does that mean that their co-op parcel will remain un-used while they continue to cause a glut of traffic in the InfoHub. Then the problem will still remain.

Exactly Toy, when you buy land you do not buy AV slots, you buy the land and the prim under the understanding that AV slots are shared, otherwise it would be a part of buying your land. My only reason for bringing it up again is that is was used as an obserd one sided argument for some one that was in fact doing the exact same.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e298/bladyblue/BEAR/NormalInfoHubTrafficFlow.jpg

This shows the traffic flow in Bear sim a few minutes ago. Usually by midday there is a glut of stagnant AVs in the InfoHub. But since the Bear Buddies have moved onto their own parcel we now have gone back to a normal traffic flow in the InfoHub.

I don't even care if they send one or two of their people to the Hub during the day to recruit new players to their chat group. The issue was when 10,15, and sometimes 20 Bear Buddies took up residence in the Hub and stopped the normal flow of InfoHub Traffic.

this is what we do at bear

but this now goes against what you were saying in the closed thread - anyway - Thank you for your approval, it appreciated even though you have your facts incorrect - there are 2 Mentor tags - the rest are "Bear co-op Sponsors" as there is a group enrollment fee.

Maybe we can drop this sad sorry affair now and carry on with our own businesses

Regards

Norf

Cheers

well it's nice to see a happy ending and I'm certainly glad that you at last aprove. My gripe was that big business seemed to be running roughshod over the community that (rightly or wrongly) had developed over a much longer period of time than the few short months since voice was introduced. I would also like to point out that I have been coming to bear since I was born (at bear) and nothing really changed much even since voice came...We have always sat on the wall and chatted. It was never an intention that Bladyblue or any of the other land owners in bear were inconvenienced. It's a shame that Bladyblue did not come on board to work out a solution together but as Norf has said.......We thank you for your aproval.

As for the Cam likes an audience....Cam likes to grandstand blah blah blah.........This thread was set up so that we could either get a definitive answer or at least suggestions to work out the problem. I had hoped that personal thoughts and feelings would be left out. so on that note....LIAS / BLADYBLUE ........I LOVE YA!

I like how things are coming together at the new co-op, i took this photo of cam last nite

Debate aside from both parties (Frankly, I can see merits to both sides of the fence here)....

To me, and my own situation - I find all of this incredibly ironic.

The Shelter is located near the Isabel Infohub - when Linden put out the call to local landowners to rebuild the former Telehubs as Infohubs, the Shelter folks jumped on it - and we built up the Isabel Infohub as a useful place for new residents to arrive.

The *structure* may have been intended that way, but due to weak Linden policing of the area, and no parcel restrictions on scripts or build - the area turned into a cesspool really, really, quick.

The new residents that arrived there were greeted with cage guns & griefers - and since it was a Governor-owned parcel, there was little we could do but encourage folks to come up to the Shelter where the environment was more controlled. Few folks from the Shelter wanted to hang out down there either, because, well - it sucked.

Later, a few parcel restrictions were put in place after much liason begging - but it still didn't go far enough, and the Isabel Infohub remains to this day an environment very, very different from the Shelter.

The irony is, here we were, *wanting* new residents to congregate at the Isabel Infohub - and it fell apart because no self-perpetuating social network could gain a foothold there due to griefing.

The local landowners in Bear don't want or support the Infohub crowd, and yet it flourishes all on its own.

It speaks a lot to how a viable social network can make or break a location, and the negative impact griefing has on socializing