Question About Alt Accounts
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Melita Magic
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11-30-2009 12:31
From: Ceera Murakami Do not assume that everyone is as limited as you are in imagination or in performing capability.
This. Performing is a good notion to bring up. Some of us do sometimes see SL as a bit of performance art. A portable traveling show. It can be good fun to don a new suit and tour the sims so to speak. Long as others seem to be laffing it up as well.
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Phil Deakins
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11-30-2009 12:35
From: LauraIreland Inglewood Simple question. .How do you set your computer or the program to allow you to bring up Mulit Avatars at the same time. Please help Add " --multiple" (without the quotes but with the leading space) to the end of the Target line in the desktop icon's Properties. Then you can open and run multiple instances of the viewer, each logging in a different avatar/account. (Melita - this a year old thread  )
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Ceera Murakami
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11-30-2009 20:19
Simply having a lot of registered accounts has ZERO impact on your SL response time. The only thing that affects it is how many you are concurrently logged in with, and how much inventory each of them has for the concurrently logged in accounts.
An account that is not logged in has no more impact on the ones that ARE logged in than the book on your bookshelf has on the book you're reading. An alt uses no resources just for existing. It might use some disk space for its cache files, but that is about all. So unless you are really almost out of disk space, it shouldn't matter.
(edit: Hadn't noticed that someone necroposted a year-old thread here...)
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Francesca Alva
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12-01-2009 03:22
Mac users, don't try this at home. 
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Alazarin Mondrian
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12-01-2009 03:33
Also, if your computer (PC's only here... sorry) has hyperthreading or multiple cores, use WinLauncher XP to assign each instance of your viewer to a separate thread or core.
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Kara Spengler
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12-01-2009 04:07
From: AngelJo75 Lacombe Can having so many alt accounts (not necessarily online simulataneously) cause my SL program to slow down? If they are not on simultaneously how could your computer be slowed down at al? It is not like it checks how many accounts you have before you login or such. If you are on with more than one account at a time the rate of slowdown all depends on your client machine. You will notice some slowdown though (particularly slow loading textures) when you just have just 2 accounts on.
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Kara Spengler
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12-01-2009 04:13
From: Milla Janick I believe all the SL accounts on a single computer share the same cache folder. Clearing it out more frequently than you regularly would might help. Noooo ...... Assuming a standard setup (and only one SL viewer) that is precisely what you do not want to do. Each account will have it's own list of what it thinks should be there. The easiest solution is to have multiple different viewers (like a copy of Emerald and a copy of Snowglobe) that will use different caches. Failing that, modify your command line arguments to tell SL to use different cache directories.
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Kara Spengler
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12-01-2009 04:18
From: Francesca Alva Mac users, don't try this at home.  Well, maybe not on YOUR mac but I routinely run 2 SL accounts at the same time on my iMac. Although rather than windows shortcuts there is an arguments.txt file in the application icon's folder.
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Darkness Anubis
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12-01-2009 04:35
From: Francesca Alva Mac users, don't try this at home.  Actually I used to log in 2 at once on a mac. But I will be danged if I can remember how now. It IS possible though.
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Lear Cale
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12-01-2009 05:18
From: LittleMe Jewell No That totally depends on your computer AND your SL Graphics Settings. Every new launch of the viewer will take more resources and therefore have some impact on all things running. If I run with my usual settings, starting a 3rd client will start really slowing things to a crawl. If I cut graphics way down, I have gotten 4 clients running, though still pretty slow. Yes. I originally thought it was maybe me, then I started thinking it might be one of the latest server upgrades. I have since decided it is mostly the latest few versions of the client. If I back up to a 1.19 or 1.20 version, things run much faster. Finally, a helpful, informative, and accurate post. Note that multiple clients also use more bandwidth (which is a resource, of course). However, you can help minimize bandwidth use by setting your graphics draw distance (in preferences) low (e.g., 64). Of course, if you're moving a lot in the sim, that has the opposite effect. Also consider setting your graphics settings to "low" for all the windows except perhaps one. I don't know whether this will count for much when the others are minimized, but it might help and can't hurt. And that's the other item: minimize the other SL windows, as much as feasible. Turn off all unnecessary programs. Install more memory on your computer, if possible -- this could be a big help.
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Lear Cale
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12-01-2009 05:19
From: Rhaorth Antonelli what about testing scripts? testing permissions? keeping a group alive, especially if the group owns land? a model in a store? the list goes on Please don't feed the trolls, dear!
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Lear Cale
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12-01-2009 05:22
From: Skell Dagger I can run one instance of the SL viewer and one of the Nicholaz viewer comfortably together on my dual-core, but only if I shut down Firefox. I believe tat there's an advantage to using the same viewer for all avatars. The memory used by the SL client program code can be loaded once by the system and shared among them all. (Not all, of it, but more of it.)
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Lear Cale
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12-01-2009 05:29
From: Phil Deakins Add " --multiple" (without the quotes but with the leading space) to the end of the Target line in the desktop icon's Properties. It's better to first duplicate the icon and rename it, and then add " --multiple" to the new one. This way, you won't have to repeat the procedure after every SL client upgrade. And if your computer is secure enough (gasp), you can also add " --login Melita Magic myinscrutiblepassword", and clicking on that icon will start that avatar. You can make a shortcut icon for each of your alts. But it's not particularly safe to put your password in clear text anywhere on your computer. Perhaps Emerald would work without the password, since it saves multiple avatar names and passwords -- though that gets messed up whenever you use a different client. (necroposting away)
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Kara Spengler
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12-01-2009 05:32
From: Lear Cale I believe tat there's an advantage to using the same viewer for all avatars. The memory used by the SL client program code can be loaded once by the system and shared among them all. (Not all, of it, but more of it.) If you use the same viewer make multiple shortcuts/aliases/launch scripts that login each seperately and define a different cache location for each. Otherwise both instances will be trying to put their own stuff in the cache all the time (which is what their code does now, but this would be worse).
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Lexxi Gynoid
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12-01-2009 07:32
From: Phil Deakins (Melita - this a year old thread  ) It is easier to tell when the month and year is different. I saw November 29 and didn't look at the 2008 until you noted the year part. I'm going to look for something from December 1 . . oh, 2007.
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Sony Swords
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12-01-2009 07:54
From: LittleMe Jewell I think they were asking about both - at least, that is how I answered it. I also was wondering about the way you answered the question 
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LittleMe Jewell
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12-01-2009 08:02
From: Lexxi Gynoid It is easier to tell when the month and year is different. I saw November 29 and didn't look at the 2008 until you noted the year part.
I'm going to look for something from December 1 . . oh, 2007. Yeah, it took me a minute or so before I realized that first date was 2008 and not 2009. the fact that the month/day is within the past few days confuses things more.
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Sony Swords
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12-01-2009 08:09
From: AngelJo75 Lacombe I am a sixth alt account to someone on SL, btw; and two or three may have to go - only if my excessive alt accounts is slowing my SL down. Against the ToS
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Lear Cale
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12-01-2009 09:00
From: Kara Spengler If you use the same viewer make multiple shortcuts/aliases/launch scripts that login each seperately and define a different cache location for each. Otherwise both instances will be trying to put their own stuff in the cache all the time (which is what their code does now, but this would be worse). I don't see any issues. That is, I don't see any issues that I don't have when running a single client. Oh, one issue. When running animations, facial expressions for a given avatar don't appear in all viewers. I don't recall whether one tends to see ones own, or tends not to see ones own, but it might be something like that. I doubt this is a cache issue, since expressions are all built-ins. I have no problems with stuck grey textures, or textures that are the wrong ones. What symptoms would you expect from sharing the same cache folder? (Note that the cache indexes are separate, by default.)
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Kara Spengler
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12-01-2009 09:55
From: Lear Cale What symptoms would you expect from sharing the same cache folder? (Note that the cache indexes are separate, by default.) A good example is a full cache: Let's say Process1 says a texture is in the cache. Process2 sees the cache is full so it deletes some textures it does not need anymore .... but that Process1 is still using. Suddenly when Process1 goes to fetch from the cache the file it thought was there is not there. Assuming it handles the condition correctly it needs to redownload it so it deletes some more files and redownloads what it needs. Then Process2 needs files that has been deleted so it deletes some of Process1's stuff and it goes on and on .... The reason it does not look a lot different than the usual performance (although it is) is because the SL client really messed up the cache code. It redownloads things it should be saving. Essentially, you are relying on a bug ... if LL ever fixes it your client will be in a world of hurt. In general, 2 processes sharing a resource without some way to keep both from tripping over each other is a surefire way to a major problem. Like if a program clears an area of memory that another program is using ... everything from data loss to a computer crash.
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LittleMe Jewell
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12-01-2009 10:10
From: Sony Swords Against the ToS Please do show me the ToS quote that says you are limited to a **certain number** of alts. In the current ToS ( http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php), I found this: From: someone 2.4 Account registrations are limited per unique person. Transfers of accounts are generally not permitted.
Linden Lab may require you to submit an indication of unique identity in the account registration process; e.g. credit card or other payment information, or SMS message code or other information requested by Linden Lab. When an account is created, the information given for the account must match the address, phone number, and/or other unique identifier information associated with the identification method. You may register multiple accounts per identification method only at Linden Lab's sole discretion. A single account may be used by a single legal entity at Linden Lab's sole discretion and subject to Linden Lab's requirements. Additional accounts beyond the first account per unique user may be subject to fees upon account creation. "Which does not even totally hold true anymore and does not mention a **specific number** .
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Bec Sadofsky
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12-01-2009 10:48
Darn Lil,
You beat me to it.
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