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Rock Ryder
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Join date: 6 Oct 2006
Posts: 384
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08-12-2007 12:38
Sorry, but this is a lesson for you. Don't ever pay in full for anything in advance. Some people you can trust, but others.... And the people who have provided services, and did not get paid? Seems you are saying that no paid services should ever take place in SL, as no-one can be trusted. Sad state of affairs. Rock |
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
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08-12-2007 12:57
I'm also curious as to what the goods or services were supposed to be. Hopefully it's something more mundane than what some of us are likely imagining. If they were mundane why didnt he just come out and say it? If it was an escort - im possitive no Linden affiliated resource is going to do ANYTHING about getting him his money back. For any other service its the same end result. LL doesnt get involved in personal financial disputes except in extrmely rare situations . As far as they will be concerned the 3500L was a gift. |
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reed Tweak
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Join date: 3 Mar 2006
Posts: 39
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08-12-2007 13:06
3500l is a crap load of cash for a escort, i think i am in the wrong buissnes
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Sophia Debevec
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Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 27
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08-12-2007 13:06
well if it WAS an escort, check her picks and groups and let them know what happened.
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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
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08-12-2007 13:52
because of recent discussions about buying regions as a group, ive been thinking about escrow agents a lot lately. in short, just any av cannot succeed as an escrow agent. the av would either need a long history of having access to peoples money and not stealing it, or they would have to have sufficient wealth themselves that your money was not worth the loss of reputation/business it could cause.
so somebody like me could never do this. due to the ginko/wse fiasco its safe to say anybody that might 'invest' $ in escrow cannot do this either. really the only ppl that possibly could would be someone such as a long standing vendor distributor (apez for example) or a large scale landbaron that moves big money already. but even those examples would have to be willing to face the risk of bogus fraud accusations and such. the only people that could do this properly are the lindens. and i cant see them willing to get involved. That really sucks. This sounds like a good business opertunity for someone willing to do the work involved. Create an escrow account, whereas, monies could be paid into escrow in lieu of services, and once the service is completed, the money could then be forwarded to the service provider. It's a 2 way street, if one withholds payment for a service, and then refuses to pay after the service is rendered, then, the service provider could loose out as well. Alot of people dont like building, scripting, making clothes, etc. and complain of not having something to do... how about starting up this escrow service?  |
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Sarah Nerd
I BUY LAND
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
Posts: 796
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08-12-2007 14:30
If the fee was for an escort...well technically you did get screwed........
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Jillian Callahan
Rotary-winged Neko Girl
Join date: 24 Jun 2004
Posts: 3,766
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08-12-2007 14:33
If the fee was for an escort...well technically you did get screwed........  pa-dum-zing! |
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Jessica Elytis
Goddess
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,783
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08-12-2007 15:12
What you can do also is put her in your picks and let people know she is a thief and to not trust her. I advise agaisnt this. Placing derogatory comments of another Resident in yoru profile is, in itself, a reportable breach of the CS under harrassment. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. You ~can~ let your friends know with chat and IMs and such, just not in your profile or textures on prims and shuch like that. ~Jessy _____________________
When your friend does somethign stupid:
Dude, you are a true and good friend, and I love you like the brother that my mom claims she never had, but you are in fact acting like a flaming douche on white toast with a side order of dickknob salsa..maybe you should reconsider this course of action and we go find something else to do. |
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poopmaster Oh
The Best Person On Earth
Join date: 9 Mar 2007
Posts: 917
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08-12-2007 15:31
Don't... A whole wack load of us lost USD$1850 each due to LL waiting 7+ Days to tell us that we we're all scammed on a land transfer. That is the biggest scam. Selling islands to many people at once. Because LL is so slow, you can get the money out of PayPay and people like me can get nothing back. why would you pay 1850 for a used island when a new one is 1600? _____________________
InSL u find every kind of no-life retard you could possibly imagine as well as a few even Tim Burton couldnt imagine u find 12yr-olds claiming to be 40 men claiming 2 be women, women claiming 2 make sense and every1 claiming 2 have ideas that are actually worth a damn if only someone would just listen to their unique innovative and exceptionally important idea
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Avacea Fasching
Certified
Join date: 23 Dec 2005
Posts: 481
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08-12-2007 15:39
This is a legitimate reason to use the Abuse Report system, which you can use from within the client. No its not! it is a personal dispute between two residents. No wonder they don’t answer legitimate Abuse Reports, they can’t find them in the sea of frivolous reports _____________________
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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
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08-12-2007 15:47
well thats probably true, but its so screwed. LL is hands off when you get scammed, your land sale gets borked, your $ 'vanishes', you get landlocked in ads, etc. but they can toss you for derogatory comments and spend the weekends looking for ppl playing bingo.
how sad are their priorities? I advise agaisnt this. Placing derogatory comments of another Resident in yoru profile is, in itself, a reportable breach of the CS under harrassment. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. You ~can~ let your friends know with chat and IMs and such, just not in your profile or textures on prims and shuch like that. ~Jessy |
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Jessica Elytis
Goddess
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,783
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08-12-2007 15:53
well thats probably true, but its so screwed. LL is hands off when you get scammed, your land sale gets borked, your $ 'vanishes', you get landlocked in ads, etc. but they can toss you for derogatory comments and spend the weekends looking for ppl playing bingo. how sad are their priorities? Agreed. I just don't want a newbie to thinkit's okay to put in picks about theives and then get tossed for it. *shrugs* I've been a longtime sayer that Philip Linden has the WORST management sense of any CEO alive. The "Tao of Linden" is a joke, imo. There are a great number of very intelligent, talented, and all around good people working as Lindens for LL. If the LL management would pull their heads of of their dark recesses, SL would be a great place to be, and LL's profits would soar. All that is needed is a bit of direction and coheasiveness. To get all the Lindens focused on the things that matter. The sad part is.....LL management doesn't see that (too dark in there). ~Jessy _____________________
When your friend does somethign stupid:
Dude, you are a true and good friend, and I love you like the brother that my mom claims she never had, but you are in fact acting like a flaming douche on white toast with a side order of dickknob salsa..maybe you should reconsider this course of action and we go find something else to do. |
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Imogen Saltair
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Join date: 29 Nov 2006
Posts: 682
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08-12-2007 17:14
As an ex escort I can confirm that it is absolutely normal practice on SL for the escort to take money first before providing services. This is because a lot of noobs come to us and want the services we provide without having the money to pay for them. On giving my ratecard to a customer, I have been asked in the past "What can i get for 9 linden dollars?" The guy having spent twenty minutes in a camping chair and thought he could go out on the town.
However, some... repeat... some freelance escorts will rip you off if they are so inclined. The best way to protect against this is to use a reputable (or established, if you prefer the word) club where you can make a complaint to the management if you are ripped off in your view after the assignation. Sometimes however, customers don't read the notecard that they are given, which clearly should state what the escort is and is not prepared to do for the money. If a customer pays an escort X L$ for Y service... and then demands Z service, with menaces or any other threats or pressure, the escort is entitled to refuse. In these circumstances, in my experience, the escort would return the money and explain why. If the customer has had some time with the escort, the escort might return part of the money only. If the client has a complaint it should be made to the club owners. Most owners will rather refund the money than gain any reputation, however ill-deserved it might be, as a rip-off establishment. I am not saying that this transaction was with an escort. Just clarifying. Although many people think and state openly, even on the forum here, that escorts have no self-respect or ethics, they are mistaken. imogen _____________________
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Oryx Tempel
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Join date: 8 Nov 2006
Posts: 7,663
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08-12-2007 17:37
This is a legitimate reason to use the Abuse Report system, which you can use from within the client. So i think you should file an Abuse Report. No it isn't. LL does not get involved in monetary issues. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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Join date: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 25,000
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08-12-2007 18:06
As an ex escort I can confirm that it is absolutely normal practice on SL for the escort to take money first before providing services. This is because a lot of noobs come to us and want the services we provide without having the money to pay for them. On giving my ratecard to a customer, I have been asked in the past "What can i get for 9 linden dollars?" The guy having spent twenty minutes in a camping chair and thought he could go out on the town. However, some... repeat... some freelance escorts will rip you off if they are so inclined. The best way to protect against this is to use a reputable (or established, if you prefer the word) club where you can make a complaint to the management if you are ripped off in your view after the assignation. Sometimes however, customers don't read the notecard that they are given, which clearly should state what the escort is and is not prepared to do for the money. If a customer pays an escort X L$ for Y service... and then demands Z service, with menaces or any other threats or pressure, the escort is entitled to refuse. In these circumstances, in my experience, the escort would return the money and explain why. If the customer has had some time with the escort, the escort might return part of the money only. If the client has a complaint it should be made to the club owners. Most owners will rather refund the money than gain any reputation, however ill-deserved it might be, as a rip-off establishment. I am not saying that this transaction was with an escort. Just clarifying. Although many people think and state openly, even on the forum here, that escorts have no self-respect or ethics, they are mistaken. imogen Can you really be an Ex Escort? Isn't sorta like The Marines, a lifetime thing? _____________________
Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen.
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Ed Gobo
ed44's alt
Join date: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 220
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08-12-2007 18:07
i ve lost 3500L$ I feel so stupid! At $L265 = $US 1, that is only $13.20, about the price of a movie ticket here! Get some perspective and enjoy the game! |
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
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08-12-2007 19:13
Can you really be an Ex Escort? Isn't sorta like The Marines, a lifetime thing? The few, the proud. |
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Jillian Callahan
Rotary-winged Neko Girl
Join date: 24 Jun 2004
Posts: 3,766
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08-12-2007 19:25
The few, the proud. |
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
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08-12-2007 19:27
Semper fellatious? Only after getting paid first.  |
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Brenda Connolly
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Join date: 10 Jan 2007
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08-12-2007 19:47
Semper fellatious? Curtis Interruptus. _____________________
Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen.
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Marty Starbrook
NOW MADE WITH COCO
Join date: 10 Dec 2006
Posts: 523
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08-13-2007 02:08
im not exactly trusting this post .....
"Ive been scammed"........................... Ok what happen ... ?? "Silence" ..... "Ive lost L$3500.... ive lost all my money" Ok ... yes but please tell us WHAT HAPPENED? "silence......." Judging by the recent influx of money losses in SL and people giving money to those folks I would like to know .. What was the service.. because the only SERVICES in Sl that cost are building (design, terraforming etc) and sex and personally i dont care about the embaressment but the OP isnt saying much at all other than looking for some kind of sympathy vote. Bottom line .... is that its a dispute between two residents LL will not get involved _____________________
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Imogen Saltair
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Join date: 29 Nov 2006
Posts: 682
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08-13-2007 02:14
Can you really be an Ex Escort? Isn't sorta like The Marines, a lifetime thing? I guess so Brenda.. once an escort, always an escort. Some people would substitute the word 'slut' here. However, I am not working in that field at the moment love imogen _____________________
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AWM Mars
Scarey Dude :¬)
Join date: 10 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,398
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08-13-2007 03:13
With being in danger of exploding this thread to the trollers, the only recourse you have is to use a business like the SLBB.... even if you do not get your money back (or any form of satisfaction (punn intended)), its potentially the only way you will get to see their name up in lights (the blacklist).
Everything we do for our clients comes under the heading of 'custom work', nothing we make (machinima) can be sold to any other client as it is bespoke work. For contracts over 10k+, we will enter into a email form of contract and sometimes ask for a 20-30% deposit. If it is us that do not deliver after that, it is our reputation on the line. We have never failed to deliver, and have only been caught out with a single client who would not honour the contract, however, it would cost us far more in RL terms, to try and regain that revenue. Our only 'satisfaction' is their name is up on the Blacklist as they also failed to defend themselves when offered the chance. _____________________
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Trella McMahon
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Join date: 21 May 2007
Posts: 163
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other services
08-13-2007 03:40
"because the only SERVICES in Sl that cost are building (design, terraforming etc) and sex and personally"
The poster also has me curious as to what type of service, and I'm just humbly pointing out there are also counseling services now in SL too  . |
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Day Oh
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Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 1,257
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08-13-2007 03:47
Hosting, advertising, event planning, security, consulting, diplomacy, education... is this necessary?
Anyway, sex is a perfectly legitimate business (: Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a dildo. We have to use the indefinate artical A dildo, never your dildo. |