Age verifying woes
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Never Looming
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Join date: 9 Jul 2008
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07-22-2009 12:57
Afternoon all!
Well its a sad day for me because evidently the rumour that PIOF does not = age verify.
From my support ticket:
"Please note that having payment info on file does not make your account age verified. Having either payment info or age verification will allow you to enter an Adult region, but having one status does not automatically grant the other. They are still separate and independent of one another and individual land and estate owners can still choose to make their parcels accessible to age verified accounts only. "
Now I realize I shot myself in the foot when I first joined. I thought to myself there was no way in hell I would give an internet game my rl info. Now I can't age verify because i used a fake name. Lesson learned ...maybe.
Has this happened to anyone else? Any help from the Lindens?
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Brenda Connolly
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Join date: 10 Jan 2007
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07-22-2009 13:00
Why do you need to age verify? Are you having trouble getting into some adult areas with PIOF?
Ifyou want to be age verified, you can create a new account with the proper information, or call LL and explain. Sme people have reported calling and asking to correct their information by just having to fax in some form of ID and their accounts were verified
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Lindal Kidd
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Join date: 26 Jun 2007
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07-22-2009 13:01
Never, you need to understand the terminology, which is confusing.
You DON'T need to be "age verified" to access Adult content. You can do so by EITHER being age verified or PIOF. Either one constitutes "account verification", which is what you need to access Adult Content.
The ONLY reason you need age verification is to enter a parcel that has been set to admit age verified persons only. There are not too many of these, and the parcel owners who set this flag mostly don't understand the system either.
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Never Looming
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Join date: 9 Jul 2008
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07-22-2009 13:06
There's a few stores around that have gothic dresses and such which I like. Walking up to them and getting ban lines really ticked me off! Granted many may not go that route, but its just strange that its not universal. If your account is verified, it should be verified. To make me more leary, then asking for scanned copies of my ID when giving them my real name was enough of an issue for me makes me cringe. The have my credit card info, I wish that was enough. I would go and make a new account, but at the same time the amount of things i bought that are non-transfer makes me second guess that.
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Never Looming
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07-22-2009 13:07
From: Brenda Connolly Why do you need to age verify? Are you having trouble getting into some adult areas with PIOF?
Ifyou want to be age verified, you can create a new account with the proper information, or call LL and explain. Sme people have reported calling and asking to correct their information by just having to fax in some form of ID and their accounts were verified I think I'm paranoid they think this is a stolen account since I used a fake name  Last thing i want is this account closed.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-22-2009 13:15
From: Never Looming There's a few stores around that have gothic dresses and such which I like. Walking up to them and getting ban lines really ticked me off! So it should. Any store that puts up ban lines against non-age-verified residents is sheer bog loco. Ask the store owner to stop being a prat.
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Milla Janick
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Join date: 2 Jan 2008
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07-22-2009 14:25
What happens when you try to age verifiy?
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Solbrio Serenity
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Join date: 25 May 2009
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07-22-2009 22:06
i'm confused about something. i have PIOF, have purchased $L, and yet, when i clicked a teleport to somewhere in Zindra (i haven't been there yet) it said i needed to change some kind of settings to view adult content. i'm using the 1.22 viewer i think. tell me i don't have to use the 1.23.  it crashes sl every damn time! 
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Viktoria Dovgal
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Join date: 29 Jul 2007
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07-22-2009 22:26
From: Solbrio Serenity i'm confused about something. i have PIOF, have purchased $L, and yet, when i clicked a teleport to somewhere in Zindra (i haven't been there yet) it said i needed to change some kind of settings to view adult content. i'm using the 1.22 viewer i think. tell me i don't have to use the 1.23.  it crashes sl every damn time!  You can just run 1.23 for long enough to enable adult content on your account (log in, go to the General tab, change the drop-down to show adult stuff). It's a server side profile setting, so once you've set it you can go back to using the old version.
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Solbrio Serenity
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Join date: 25 May 2009
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07-22-2009 22:39
i totally understand how newbish this is going to appear...but idc. how do i run 1.23 just long enough? i have to install that version right? then log in, change settings, then uninstall sl and reinstall version 1.22? why the eff would they make it so difficult!  if i'm using (any) offical sl viewer i should be able to activate adult content from the account page or some crap. 
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Viktoria Dovgal
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Join date: 29 Jul 2007
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07-22-2009 22:43
You could install the last 1.23 RC (it's at the bottom of the download page), then your regular 1.22 installation won't get clobbered. The same goes for Snowglobe.
1.22 can't activate the adult stuff because it doesn't have the interface bits to do that. That's kind of why they rolled out a new release when they did :/
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Solbrio Serenity
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Join date: 25 May 2009
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07-22-2009 22:45
and it'll be like having two copies of sl downloaded? (temporarily of course)
huh..well thats something i hadn't thought of.
ty Viktoria!
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Viktoria Dovgal
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07-22-2009 22:46
From: Solbrio Serenity and it'll be like having two copies of sl downloaded? (temporarily of course) Yeah, they can live side by side =)
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Solbrio Serenity
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Join date: 25 May 2009
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07-22-2009 22:47
From: Viktoria Dovgal Yeah, they can live side by side =) i bet not! the thing better let me change my settings before it crashes on me! lol then i'll have fun hacking it off at the knees > 
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Lord Sullivan
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07-23-2009 03:37
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Jig Chippewa
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07-23-2009 03:39
From: Never Looming Afternoon all!
Afternoon, Sgt. Dixon 
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Jig Chippewa
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07-23-2009 03:41
From: Milla Janick What happens when you try to age verifiy? You get lotsa gifts and a big cake 
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Conifer Dada
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07-23-2009 03:42
If you find you have to start a new account, you could even use NeverLooming as the first name, to give yourself some continuity!
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Sling Trebuchet
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Join date: 20 Jan 2007
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07-23-2009 04:10
From: Never Looming ..... Now I realize I shot myself in the foot when I first joined. I thought to myself there was no way in hell I would give an internet game my rl info. Now I can't age verify because i used a fake name. Lesson learned ...maybe. ..... Age Verification does not check the name and details submitted to the Verification against the Name and details used to create the account. All that gets passed to and fro between the LL servers and the Intergity verification process is an anonymising token. The only thing that LL will know about the verification is that Integrity has 'verified' the details submitted to them. That's how people Age Verify using the details of celebrities and terrorists known to be dead. You are: 1) Very naughty to have used a fake name to create the account 2) A tad unwise to post that TOS offence fact here -- although it's possible that no Linden will ever read it -- or care if they should happen to. 3) Good to go to verifiy your John Doe fake account using the details of someone that Integrity thinks might be over 18 - like Elvis or Osama Bin Laden. The Age Verified flag is indeed independent of PIOF, but either will allow access to Zindra in general. Some parcel owners do not understand this, and set their parcel to allow access only to people who have Age Verified. Alternatively, they do understand this, but consider that a) someone who might have Age Verified using Michael Jackson's details has a better possibility of being over 18 that would be someone who can supply PIOF. b) everybody is going to Age Verify because it's absolute proof of age. This is of course, sheer lunacy, but it's their parcel! Some NPIOF people who used my old mainland place opted to go through Age Verification to get to the new place. They didn't take the PIOF option as they didn't want an audit trail on their CC/Paypal for RL partners to find I left out a copy of the Adult Information package beside my LM giver. The LM giver also hands out a notecard summarising the situation. I think that many people just don't understand. Lately, I've been shut out of a few parcels due to not being 'age verified'. A few days later, some of them get the message and drop the restriction. I've talked to landowners who don't understand the access rules.
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Nim Lavendel
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Join date: 27 Jun 2009
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oh woe!
07-23-2009 04:29
I have exactly the same problem as Never Looming. From: someone Now I realize I shot myself in the foot when I first joined. I thought to myself there was no way in hell I would give an internet game my rl info. I never use my name as it appears on my passport for ANYTHING unless I have to, particularly not on the internet. And I didn't know one of my fave places in SL would turn out to be an island that is not yet but will soon be forced to be ADULT. It all really really sucks and what particularly sucks is that there seems to be no one who is actually in charge of this that can be contacted, except maybe if you wanna go to the extent of snail mail... Such a hassle! I just wanna play!
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spinster Voom
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07-23-2009 04:51
From: Nim Lavendel I have exactly the same problem as Never Looming.
I never use my name as it appears on my passport for ANYTHING unless I have to, particularly not on the internet. And I didn't know one of my fave places in SL would turn out to be an island that is not yet but will soon be forced to be ADULT.
Also, I'm Swedish but living in England. How do i fill out the verification form? With my English address but my Swedish passport/id number?
I'm so not comfortable with providing ANY of my personal information. Call me paranoid but the Orwellian society that is currently growing all over the world and the changes of constitutions and basic human rights i just don't like anyone having my details for any reason. I'll do it cos i've done nothing wrong and wanna keep playing and LL claims they only verify and don't store it but I don't trust anyone. I can't completely delete my details from Facebook EVER for example and that's the kinda thing that i find freaky.
It all really really sucks and what particularly sucks is that there seems to be no one who is actually in charge of this that can be contacted, except maybe if you wanna go to the extent of snail mail...
While I'm at it, I'm about to verify the PayPal account I'd like to use BUT, it's in my husbands name. I don't have any payment cards of my own neither debit or credit. I've never needed to and I don't want one for the simple reason that I've seeen so many people end up in debt. Is this gonna cause a problem too?
Such a hassle! I just wanna play!
HELP! I know exactly how you feel, but honestly, you don't need to worry. Paypal will work fine even if the account details are completely different from your SL account. It does need to be a verified paypal account, though. IIRC, paypal says your account is verified if it is linked to a real bank account, so if you are not using a credit or debit card, I would assume this is already the case. Give it a try! Registering your (husband's) paypal as a payment method will allow you to access adult regions, so you can happily forget all about the intrusive age verification system 
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Nim Lavendel
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07-24-2009 04:10
Oh wicked! Thank you so much!
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Solbrio Serenity
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07-24-2009 20:55
From: Jig Chippewa You get lotsa gifts and a big cake   wheres my frickin' cake?! on a side note, i downloaded the 1.23 and it overwrote v.1.22 >  i changed settings then uninstalled and then reinstalled 1.22. *walks away grumbling obscenities* on a further side note, i changed setting and then /crashed my way out of sl. why does v. 1.23 suck so bad? *thinks she should start another thread but is to lazy*
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Brieanne Bomazi
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Join date: 29 Jan 2005
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07-24-2009 21:39
From: Sling Trebuchet Age Verification does not check the name and details submitted to the Verification against the Name and details used to create the account. All that gets passed to and fro between the LL servers and the Intergity verification process is an anonymising token. The only thing that LL will know about the verification is that Integrity has 'verified' the details submitted to them. That's how people Age Verify using the details of celebrities and terrorists known to be dead.
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The Age Verified flag is indeed independent of PIOF, but either will allow access to Zindra in general.
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Amity Slade
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07-24-2009 23:14
I have a feeling that the overwhelming majority of those who set their land as requiring age verification just don't understand the policy. If one understands the policy, there doesn't seem to be any logical use for requiring age verification.
I suppose if one had such a huge net worth that one were overly-paranoid about being sued if a minor accessed adult content on one's Second Life land, one might want to use requiring age verification to provide an extra layer of defense (doing every reasonable thing in one's power to keep out minors). I suspect that very few of us have enough of a net worth to be that paranoid about lawsuits. Now a corporate player with assets (Playboy, for example) might be litigation paranoid enough to actually require age verification.
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