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Is "Restricted" any different from "Mature?"

Wildefire Walcott
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10-14-2007 23:51
The Linden blog post a while back about flagging parcels as Restricted mentions a 'Restricted' checkbox that I don't even have in my client. I imagine this replaces the 'Mature' checkbox that's there now?

I have not been able to confirm this by looking at the knowledge base or blog posts, but are the effects of this new checkbox any different from what Mature does now (which is to hide Places Search entries unless the user chooses to search Mature properties)?

Age verification, as far as I know, still hasn't been turned on for anyone but concierge residents. Are unverified residents implicitly being banned from Restricted content places? Or is that a future thing?
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10-15-2007 00:59
"Restricted" is a future thing, to prevent "unverified" avatars from entering individual parcels flagged as restricted.

"Mature" applies to an entire sim and is simply an advice to the easily offended that they might be exposed to content that they might find offensive if they enter the sim.

It appears that the plan for "Restricted" is that only parcels in Mature parcels can be flagged.
The sheer inanity of this has been pointed out a grillion times.
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Daisy Rimbaud
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10-15-2007 03:15
I think the intention is that "restricted" covers actual pornography, while "mature" indicates non-pornographic content that might nevertheless not go down well with people whose main reading preference is religious tracts.
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10-15-2007 05:41
Mature = things that would have a certificate higher that PG in a cinema.

Restricted = things that you'd have to go to an adult section for.
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10-15-2007 05:59
From: Wildefire Walcott
The Linden blog post a while back about flagging parcels as Restricted mentions a 'Restricted' checkbox that I don't even have in my client. I imagine this replaces the 'Mature' checkbox that's there now?

I have not been able to confirm this by looking at the knowledge base or blog posts, but are the effects of this new checkbox any different from what Mature does now (which is to hide Places Search entries unless the user chooses to search Mature properties)?

Age verification, as far as I know, still hasn't been turned on for anyone but concierge residents. Are unverified residents implicitly being banned from Restricted content places? Or is that a future thing?
As far as I can tell, they are different things. No where else have i seen it written that the mature checkbox, with its effect on the search listings, will turn into the restricted checkbox, with its effect on parcel restrictions. But, I have to admit, the same thing entered my imagination as well. After the blog post, I logged in to look for the parcel flag described therein. It wasn't there. No checkbox by that name. No tooltip. So, I reread the blog post. I concluded that it was describing a parcel setting that hasn't been implemented yet.
From: http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/09/18/identity-verification-and-flagging-parcels-for-restricted-content/
From the menu, go to World > About Land > Options. Under ‘Land Options’, check ‘Restricted Content’. The tooltip should read ‘Your parcel information or content is considered inappropriate for a minor’. Unchecking ‘Restricted Content’ will remove the ‘Restricted’ flag from the parcel.
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10-15-2007 06:08
It looks like some of you just read the subject line and started banging away at your keyboards. READ! then post! :D
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Colette Meiji
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10-15-2007 06:21
From: Adz Childs
As far as I can tell, they are different things. No where else have i seen it written that the mature checkbox, with its effect on the search listings, will turn into the restricted checkbox, with its effect on parcel restrictions. But, I have to admit, the same thing entered my imagination as well. After the blog post, I logged in to look for the parcel flag described therein. It wasn't there. No checkbox by that name. No tooltip. So, I reread the blog post. I concluded that it was describing a parcel setting that hasn't been implemented yet.


They also haven't said it is NOT the mature checkbox.

It seems to me the restricted/adult flag is assumed it will be new entirely on the basics that it isn't the exact name as the "Mature" checkbox, however the function is possibly the same if you examine what has been said.

Considering LL's track record of inconsistant language, I am skeptical that just because restricted isn't the same word as mature, it does not mean it isn't the same checkbox.
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10-15-2007 06:23
From: Daisy Rimbaud
with people whose main reading preference is religious tracts.


Who stand arm in arm with the radical feminists, the Red Chinese, and Russia.

Kinda funny how the most religious nation on Earth, the United States, still allows porn. But some of the most violently atheist nations have banned it.
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10-15-2007 06:40
@OP

technically.... yes
Restricted will disallow unverfied accounts (supposedly because of the possibility of teens on free accounts, as if they couldn't borrow mommy or daddy's id just as easily as their CC?)

realistically....no. same mess, new package

ever wonder why there are PG combat sims? it's an americanism to be sure, violence is ok at any age, but heavens forbid post pubescent teens hear about sex (FYI I'm american)....

to me it just looks like one more way for some bored hack to get more of my personal info =/
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10-15-2007 07:00
From: Colette Meiji
They also haven't said it is NOT the mature checkbox.

It seems to me the restricted/adult flag is assumed it will be new entirely on the basics that it isn't the exact name as the "Mature" checkbox, however the function is possibly the same if you examine what has been said.

Considering LL's track record of inconsistant language, I am skeptical that just because restricted isn't the same word as mature, it does not mean it isn't the same checkbox.
They also haven't said that there won't be serving free applesauce. /me licks his lips.
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Colette Meiji
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10-15-2007 07:18
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They also haven't said that there won't be serving free applesauce. /me licks his lips.


Difference being I didn't ask Robin Linden Directly "Will you be serving free applesauce?" and get no answer.

Where I did ask directly "Will the adult flag be the same as the current mature flag?" and it sure appeared she chose to instead respond to the rest of my entire post, leaving that question out.
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10-15-2007 07:18
From: Chris Norse
Who stand arm in arm with the radical feminists, the Red Chinese, and Russia.

Kinda funny how the most religious nation on Earth, the United States, still allows porn. But some of the most violently atheist nations have banned it.


Chris, did you actually write the above? Or did somebody swipe your computer when you weren't looking? It seems very unlike you...US bashing, religion bashing, atheist bashing, and possible digs at Russia, China, and feminists...all in a reply that makes absolutely no sense whatever. WTF?
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10-15-2007 07:24
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Chris, did you actually write the above? Or did somebody swipe your computer when you weren't looking? It seems very unlike you...US bashing, religion bashing, atheist bashing, and possible digs at Russia, China, and feminists...all in a reply that makes absolutely no sense whatever. WTF?

I think he's pre-third coffee syndrome .. still warming up the keys ready for when the caffeine circulation goes full-power ;)
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10-15-2007 07:30
From: Wildefire Walcott
The Linden blog post a while back about flagging parcels as Restricted mentions a 'Restricted' checkbox that I don't even have in my client. I imagine this replaces the 'Mature' checkbox that's there now?

I have not been able to confirm this by looking at the knowledge base or blog posts, but are the effects of this new checkbox any different from what Mature does now (which is to hide Places Search entries unless the user chooses to search Mature properties)?

Age verification, as far as I know, still hasn't been turned on for anyone but concierge residents. Are unverified residents implicitly being banned from Restricted content places? Or is that a future thing?
As you can tell from the discussion, no one knows for sure whether both a "Restricted" and a separate "Mature" box will be present once Age Verification is fully in place.

In the future, yes, unverified residents will automatically be unable to enter Restricted zones. And you are correct, it is not yet being done. I personally have no knowledge of when Age Verification will be implemented; I do know two owners of very mature sims who have been rebuilding and in one case buying new land etc. to accomodate there being both Mature and separate Restricted zones.
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10-15-2007 07:32
From: Lindal Kidd
Chris, did you actually write the above? Or did somebody swipe your computer when you weren't looking? It seems very unlike you...US bashing, religion bashing, atheist bashing, and possible digs at Russia, China, and feminists...all in a reply that makes absolutely no sense whatever. WTF?


I think he was saying it isn't always the religious folk who are the loudest or most powerful voices against porn and the like.
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10-15-2007 07:34
From: Lindal Kidd
Chris, did you actually write the above? Or did somebody swipe your computer when you weren't looking? It seems very unlike you...US bashing, religion bashing, atheist bashing, and possible digs at Russia, China, and feminists...all in a reply that makes absolutely no sense whatever. WTF?

Sounds like a typical Chris post to me. It is Monday after all.
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10-15-2007 07:39
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Sounds like a typical Chris post to me. It is Monday after all.


I take back my own Monday ire, and have deleted my post.

/me hugs Chris.
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10-15-2007 07:42
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Difference being I didn't ask Robin Linden Directly "Will you be serving free applesauce?" and get no answer.

Where I did ask directly "Will the adult flag be the same as the current mature flag?" and it sure appeared she chose to instead respond to the rest of my entire post, leaving that question out.

Resident: Yes, Important Linden, i have several very important questions. Thank you. First, will there be free chocolate milk? Second, will the be free applesauce? Lastly, will there be free fish stix?
Important Linden: No, there won't be any free chocolate milk or fish stix. (inaudible sigh) Next question.
Resident shouts: GUESS WHAT EVERYBODY! There's going to be free applesauce!

I will admit that communication coming from Linden Lab is abysmal. However, as the recipients of low quality information, there is not much we can do to improve the quality, frustrating as that may be. One cannot make up for missing information by torturing the information one has, or, as in this case, torturing the information one doesn't have.
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10-15-2007 07:43
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I take back my own Monday ire, and have deleted my post.

/me hugs Chris.

Umm .. guess that means I better delete mine! LOL
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Wildefire Walcott
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10-15-2007 07:55
Okay, sounds like this stuff still hasn't hit yet. I wasn't sure because I've chosen not to update to the latest client since the release notes list a bunch of 'known issues' that I didn't want to deal with.

Thanks, folks.
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Colette Meiji
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10-15-2007 07:57
From: Colette Meiji
First I have a question - Will the Adult Flag be a different flag than the current Mature Flag? for Mature Parcels.

Not the land designation but the Mature Flag. In the last search change Policy was changed allowing people who didnt check that to show up on PG searches in "Places"

You(meaning you and Dan) talk like the Adult flag will be new - but its not clear becuase never once have you mentioned this current Mature Flag.


From: Robin Linden
Currently every region has a rating: PG or M. On the mainland the rating is pre-determined; on estates the estate owner can set it to PG or M.

The parcel flag we're talking about will be available on M regions (island or mainland) only. It will mean that there is adult content on that parcel/region that is clearly inappropriate for non-adults. This content is that which is overtly, graphically, or explicitly sexual in nature or intensely violent. Obviously, there should be no content on PG regions that fits this description. But even on M regions this content is extreme, and therefore needs to be flagged.

If you are not verified you will not be able to enter parcels or islands that are flagged as having adult content.

For more information on our thinking about costs, please see this post.


for what its worth, this was the exchange
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10-15-2007 09:41
From: Chris Norse


Kinda funny how the most religious nation on Earth, the United States, still allows porn. But some of the most violently atheist nations have banned it.


Traci Lords has a lot to answer for hey?
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10-15-2007 10:20
From: Colette Meiji
for what its worth, this was the exchange

That sounded like, despite your efforts, she thought you were asking about the region flag.

I thought I heard her or Daniel say that this would replace the Mature-parcel flag but can't find the source now..

I would bet (ie, guess) that Restricted will replace Mature. That or they'll leave Mature there and just stop saying the word "restricted." Having 2 flags, both restricted and mature, would probably confuse too many people...
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10-15-2007 10:26
No, I take it that Robin's response draws a distinction between the region flag, which is M, and the parcel flag, which may, or may not be, restricted. As I see it, she is saying that the sim will be M or not, but it may have some parcels which are "restricted" and others which are not.
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10-15-2007 10:42
From: Victorria Paine
No, I take it that Robin's response draws a distinction between the region flag, which is M, and the parcel flag, which may, or may not be, restricted. As I see it, she is saying that the sim will be M or not, but it may have some parcels which are "restricted" and others which are not.
Correct. But what will this mean for the Parcel Settings pane? This is the question. Will there be a new checkbox or will they re-label and re-use the "Mature" checkbox? That is the question.
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