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Phil Deakins
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12-27-2009 14:47
From: LittleMe Jewell
It is a script feature that LL made available to scriptors and is already in use in a variety of detection objects sold all around the grid. Emerald just gives you the ability to turn it on in the viewer rather than buy another object to do it.
That's as may be, but building it into a viewer is nasty. LL didn't include llRequestAgentData for the purpose of circumventing a person's chosen visibility, and building the function into a viewer is incredibly irresponsible imo.
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12-27-2009 15:00
From: Phil Deakins
That's as may be, but building it into a viewer is nasty. LL didn't include llRequestAgentData for the purpose of circumventing a person's chosen visibility, and building the function into a viewer is incredibly irresponsible imo.
I suppose it could be viewed that way - but only if you also view all creators of avatar detection objects as irresponsible and also those that go check groups to find the REAL online status of a person.
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Dagmar Heideman
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12-27-2009 15:03
From: Tarina Sewell
I really dont understand why people get so freaked out about the fact someone is reading their profile...
Because some people are idiots. The profile is there to be read by others. That's its purpose.
From: Phil Deakins
They tinker because they can and much of it is just stupid stuff.
While I would not necessarily call much of it stupid, I would say it is useless for many if not most of the users of the Emerald viewer. A lot of Emerald users do not create content, some of them have never even learned to make a simple gift box and many of the features are only useful for building/content creation. Then there are features such as OTR that are useless for pretty much everyone and whose purpose seems somewhat dubious. Several of the features have little or no utility for even content creators.

I don't use Emerald for the same reason I don't buy devices in RL that have all sorts of low value features added into them. It's just more stuff that can break and make the viewer hard to use whenever the Emerald creators or Linden Lab do an update. It's also more stuff that I might accidentally activate that I don't want activated or might activate on its own by default or by glitch/bug.

It's kind of sad that a huge spike in the Emerald viewer population occurred when they implemented jiggle tech into the viewer. It speaks volumes about the character of a significant portion of the user population. There is also now a deluded mentality among some Emerald viewer users that they are "cool" because they use it even if they only use it for the most banal reasons, and an equally deluded mentality that those who do not use it are noobish and "uncool." :rolleyes:
Milla Janick
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12-27-2009 15:11
From: Bec Sadofsky
Why would you wear a hud to find out who is looking in your profile? To me that is just one more thing taking up your screen?

/me wanders off thinking on this.

Narcissism?
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12-27-2009 15:14
From: Dagmar Heideman
There is also now a deluded mentality among some Emerald viewer users that they are "cool" because they use it even if they only use it for the most banal reasons, and an equally deluded mentality that those who do not use it are noobish and "uncool." :rolleyes:
Given why a large majority of the users are really in SL, this does not surprise me even a little.

'look ma, they bounce'
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Innula Zenovka
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12-27-2009 15:21
From: Phil Deakins
Alright, so what's the purpose of broadcasting the fact the I (using Emerald) am looking at someone's profile? Is it so that the person I'm viewing the profile of can be informed that I'm viewing it (if they are using Emerald)? And, if so, why - what's the purpose?
Phil.. it's not a feature of Emerald. Someone -- not one of the Emerald devs -- found a bug in the previous version of Emerald that enabled him to write something exploiting this bug so people could -- if they wished -- buy a hud from him that told them if someone was looking at their profiles.

When the Emerald devs found out about this exploit, they patched it in the next release, so this hud doesn't work if you're using the new Emerald release. Viktoria explained this at the start of the thread at /327/59/357392/1.html#post2652292
Suki Hirano
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12-27-2009 18:14
From: Tarina Sewell
I really dont understand why people get so freaked out about the fact someone is reading their profile.. I will sit in a places and click profiles.. I read them... Sometimes I pick up some cool places to visit... sometimes I laugh sometimes I get really confused.... I am a profile reader! And I am probably reading your profile right now! So?

The problem is it is very rare to find someone with a profile that's actually worth reading. 25% of the people I see have empty profiles. 25% have one-liners like "RL is RL and SL is SL" or other crap like that, 25% have stuff that are so overused like "if you want to talk to me, IM me, I'm friendly, I love to chat, I hope to make friends, blablabla", 24% have stuff that reveals how noobish/stupid they are like "please don't IM me unless you're wearing expensive clothing", and the rare 1% have interesting profiles.
I think character limit is also another problem... 500 chars for a profile? Even web forms have a larger limit -.-'; I think my profile has had exactly 500 chars for the last year or so lol~
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BreninLlwyd Caeran
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12-27-2009 19:07
From: Amity Slade
For me, reading someone's profile is often the first step in deciding whether I want to talk to the person or not. I want my profile-reading activity to be secret, because if I decide not to talk to the person, I don't want them IMing me with, "Hey, I saw you reading my profile!" Plus, some people might think that if I am reading their profile, it is the equivalent of me staring down their hot bodies and read more into the act than there is.

I'd also prefer not to know when someone is reading my profile. Sometimes, ignorance is bliss. As it stands, I only know that someone has read my profile when they IM me to tell me what was interesting in my profile. That makes me feel interesting. If I had some sort of confirmation that about 95% of the people who read my profile decided that I was not interesting enough for conversation, that might depress me.


Agreed. Reading profiles is great. Anyone who doesn't want people reading them is in the wrong place LOL.
I've found laughter and magic in them.

That said, any application that announces who is reading who to the world, whether it be a HUD or a viewer, is so much more spam and total bull and something I'd boycott just on principle.
Limonella Sorbet
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12-28-2009 09:11
From: Tarina Sewell
I really dont understand why people get so freaked out about the fact someone is reading their profile.. I will sit in a places and click profiles.. I read them... Sometimes I pick up some cool places to visit... sometimes I laugh sometimes I get really confused.... I am a profile reader! And I am probably reading your profile right now! So?


I don't know either. What else are they for?

Why not leave the profile blank if no one should read it?
Kara Spengler
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12-28-2009 09:48
It seems there is a wide range about how people feel about profile reading. Some people feel you should only look at profiles after you meet someone. Others routinely look at profiles. Others could care less.

I tend to fall into the 'routinely look' category. Especially in 2 cases:

Someone IMs me and assumes I know them but the name does not ring a bell. Quick! Does their profile give me any clues as to how I might know them?

I am de facto in charge of security and someone approaches who I do not recognize. Are they a new account (so possibly a griefer)? Are they in a group that might be interested in the event?
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12-28-2009 09:50
From: Limonella Sorbet
I don't know either. What else are they for?

Why not leave the profile blank if no one should read it?

that's pretty much how I feel about it...

I always find it funny though, when I come accross a profile that says something along the lines of "if you ask me about X...", "IM me without reading this...", etc "...I'll be a rude obnoxious ass" (paraphrasing).

on the up side, that means there are people that actually expect you to read through their entire profile before saying word one to them... which is just as weird to me.
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Emerald Collins
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Join date: 26 Oct 2007
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12-28-2009 11:24
Actually, it's not the viewer itself it is a tool you buy off xstreet and wear. I ran across it a few weeks ago when searching for something else and thought it was pretty stupid. Apparently it can be set to send a private message just to the owner of it or to broadcast it in open chat to everyone. The crazy thing is why the hell would i want to know so and so is looking at so and so's profile. My guess is the people who actually purchase this tool are the "No Drama here" people who have nothing but drama on their hands because they are busybodies.
Qie Niangao
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12-28-2009 12:02
From: Emerald Collins
...My guess is the people who actually purchase this tool are the "No Drama here" people who have nothing but drama on their hands because they are busybodies.
Sounds right to me. I wonder, though, what the device's creator was thinking...

1. I'll make a mint!

2. Now everyone will appreciate my special genius!

3. The Emerald developers didn't pay my ransom, so *this* will show 'em!

4. My alt who sells tinfoil hats will make a mint!
Emerald Collins
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12-28-2009 12:25
From: Qie Niangao
Sounds right to me. I wonder, though, what the device's creator was thinking...

1. I'll make a mint!

2. Now everyone will appreciate my special genius!

3. The Emerald developers didn't pay my ransom, so *this* will show 'em!

4. My alt who sells tinfoil hats will make a mint!



LOL, no I think they were thinking:

I wonder how many men/women look at my profile and want to have sex with me. Let me count them and while I'm at it, I'll let everyone else know how popular and in demand I am :D I also want to know why that guy/girl is looking at all these other people's profile and not mine.
Ponsonby Low
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12-28-2009 16:04
From: Kara Spengler


Someone IMs me and assumes I know them but the name does not ring a bell. Quick! Does their profile give me any clues as to how I might know them?



That's probably the reason for about half the profile-looks I've done.

The other half is to look for evidence to answer the question 'is this person who's been standing on my land for 45 minutes actually a bot (and therefore likely to have a mostly-empty Profile with an older registration date) or a genuine newbie (and therefore more likely to have the mostly-empty Profile, but a recent registration date)?'

I don't care if people look at my own Profile, and I wouldn't be offended if they did and then didn't strike up a conversation--after all, there's a wide variety of interests in SL and if the looker doesn't share mine, why should he or she take up time chatting?

(But of course I don't have any interest in using a viewer or device to figure out if anyone IS looking at my profile, so it's all academic.)
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