DJ Broadcasting In World

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If they suck, should we tell them so they start saving their money?

Listener count is just that, the number of listeners connected to your stream. They could be on your land, they might have gotten the URL to your stream and be listening via Winamp or some other media player somewhere else in SL entirely. They might not even be in SL at all but still listening. Doesn't matter, a listener is a listener. As for why you'd need a stream for 100 listeners, honestly you probably don't. Back when I was streaming music during punk rock events I never broke the 20 listener barrier. So naturally I never paid for a stream with more than 20 listeners. Had I been more popular, I would have ran into that limit and some users would have been unable to connect to the stream. That's why most clubs/DJs end up with a 100 listener stream. They either want to be prepared, just in case, or they actually believe they'll get close to that limit.

As for stream prices, a lot of people buy a 24/7 stream and then don't broadcast 24/7. This is obviously wasteful and I never did that. There are a few places inworld that will rent streams by the hour or the week, etc. I always rented by the hour because my events only ran 2 hours at a time and after that everyone left anyway. That cost me, oh, less than 200L for 128 bitrate and 20 listeners. Your mileage may vary as this was last year.

Talon,

Thanks for the concise reply.

I would like to run a stream 24/7 some of my friends might like to listen to my collection of local New Orleans and Cajun music. The SAM software provides an automatic DJ that will play your entire collection randomly with rules I can establish in the software. I have a spare machine to connect as a radio station server.

"CX" (WCX Radio coming to a SIM near you.)

Sure, right after the dj tips me for bringing beauty to the event cos my outfits cost a fortune. It costs a lot of real money to look as good as i do

Oh and private places like Neva Naughty need more than the 40 limit

Meh. Professional DJs spend *thousands* of dollars on software, hardware, music libraries and licensing, and streaming services to bring the DJ experience in-world. Yeah, it can be done 'on the cheap' by comparison, but it's noticable if you've ever heard the real deal. I'm sure that your stunningly beautiful outfits add a little something to an event - lag most likely.

Gimme a break.

The Shoutcast server counts the number of people listening, If they don't have music on, they don't count.

If you are on an Estate, you could have up to 80-100 people in the sim.

Winamp most certainly does allow voice, in version 5.XX, I use it all the time. Your soundcard may not support mixing voice with music. Look for the words "Full-duplex" in the manual.

Shoutcast is free, so is Icecast, and one other I can't remember the name of.

SAM is overkill for most DJ gigs. I just use straight Winamp for all of my live gigs, no worries.

To broadcast in SL to 30 listeners @128k costs 1000L$/month. Seriously. Inworld Search: Neostreams.

Choice is a customer and lag or no lag and no customer = defo no chance of a tip

/me makes note to attend naked but advises that costs even more

You are not actually streaming music to SecondLife. By placing your server address in the About Land of that parcel, you are actually telling each person's client software where to connect in order to listen to the music.....Each individual persons computer is connecting directly to your streaming server.

So the number of listeners is the number of avatars that have music turned on while they are on the parcel.

i'd rather have the no customer if it meant puttin up with this



as to the rest, yes it does cost to stream and tips are appreciated(mine goes to pay for the stream i use). i enjoy what i do, and have been told it shows. keep in mind though, that we Djs have our hands full handling requests, greeting customers when we can, making announcements, etc. if a DJ "sucks" then maybe they aren't the dj/club for you.

I have a regular DJ at my Pool Party and she was concerned that I was going to fire her. The thought never crossed my mind. She is an awesome DJ and I play the host greeting people and making sure things work. It will be a long time before I reach her level of skill.

"CX" (DJ wanna be)

lmao

But a great thread I have no idea how DJing works and have been curious about it just for knowledge sake.

Please keep me informed where you'll be so as to avoid me inadvertantly turning up and with lots of friends

Not tipping the DJ at an SL event seems like sitting down in a rl restaurant and ordering a meal and then failing to tip the server.

It's slightly worse than that. Imagine if the server bought and prepared the food, and served it to you on their own personal serviceware. It's more like that.

I guess there are many cultural variations when it comes to tipping etiquette, but if I ordered a meal at a restaurant and the service was slow / poor etc , I would have no problem withholding a tip. I'd do the same if I was at an event where the music was lousy.

and not tipping the server is entirely acceptable if the service is poor is it not?

CX, I have no advice for you, but I'd be anywhere that NOLA/Cajun music was being played, if I were able to be I loves me some zydeco!

I agree. I've been to parties where I dispise the music. A good DJ should be able to find a mix which pleases everyone. I remember one time where the DJ just spun awful stuff like Michael Jackson non-stop or at least it seemed that way to me (obviously, I'm exxaggerating).

I wanted to be at this party because of who threw it, and the people attending but really, was I obligated to give a tip for having my musical tastes assualted for 2 hours? I think not.

You're right. I should have said, "like not tipping in California," which is where I live. The system here is stupid but entrenched. For restaurant wait staff here tips are the main source of salary. The establishment does give them a tiny paycheck but it is less than minimum wage because it is the custom for patrons to pay their wages in the form of tips. They pay income tax computed from what they should have made in tips.
So if a person where I live has a meal served in a restaurant and then fails to tip the server they have just stolen that server's labor - a very low thing to do.
I do think it is fair to tip no more than the minimum 15% if the quality of service is a bare minimum of food delivered to the table with no extra attention, politeness or quickness.



Good point.

Personally even if I hate the music so much that I disable it, if I stay at a party where a dj is working, however ineptly, I am going to make a contribution for his or her time and effort.

I had a feeling you were referring to that sort of system originally. Completely iniquitous. I bet the restaurant doesn't lower its prices either. Nor does this state of affairs promote good service, if all serving staff operate under the assumption that nobody will fail to tip, why go the extra mile to be good?

And tax is computed from what they *should* earn in tips? Christ. I'm going to dig out my beret, re-read Das Kapital and catch the next flight to California. Prepare to be liberated, West Coast folk.

A much better system would be for the establishment to pay decent wages to all staff and announce a no-tipping policy to its patrons. But it would have to raise its prices and lose the patrons who habitually save money by stiffing their servers.

It would be more effective if the servers were motivated by the desire to keep a job with a decent hourly wage. But my experience (as a customer and in the past as a bartender) is that servers here do try hard to earn a decent tip from everyone. But they know all too well that there are people who will use any flimsy excuse to take the service without paying for it.


I'm ready welcome any Marxist liberator who comes here.

If I were to fail to deliver my service to the satisfaction of whomever I bill, it does seem wrong to me for me to have a hissy fit and demand payment, merely because i've expended time in doing so. If the service isn't fit for purpose then it's pretty clear cut. However, one would hope that someone thriving on tips alone would be fairly keen to not underperform but equally it's wrong for them to demand payment if what they have done is to perform below expectations.

Any restaurant, in any state, must pay their servers at least minimum wage, either the fed minimum or the state, whichever is higher. Any restaurant that fails to pay at least minimum wage, and goes so far as to withhold taxes based on what they "should be making in gratuity" are committing serious felonies. California has some of the most strict labor standards in the nation, and the highest penalties for busting them. We are anal about these things at our restaurant. We wouldn't dream of estimating our servers' tax withholding based on what we think they should be making in tips.. we just book the charged tips, factor those in, and they walk with the cash tips and deal with them how they wish as far as taxes are concerned.

As far as tipping is concerned, (and I also live in California) I tip based on the service I receive from the server, and nothing else. If I get lousy service, they get lousy tips. I think I would treat DJ and performers in SL the same way, only the tip is more for quality than service obviously.