Uhhh-ohhhh....
You've started something now Keira....
I think we need a new forum thread. "Request your cookie from Keira".
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Seeker Yuequi
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05-19-2008 13:59
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05-19-2008 14:02
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Dana Hickman
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05-19-2008 14:02
Massively contacted LL directly (or went through LL's PR firm) for a statement, it's not a rehash of something that's posted. That's good 1st hand proof for Massively.com, and I did read the article that snippet came from before, which is part of why I asked. Unfortunately, it becomes heresay when massively tells me this because I can't at any point referrence who told them that. The statement from Prospero in the blog comments is much more solid, and again it confirms they're allowing them for use (for now), provided they're used correctly. The bounding box probs (i shoulda said Collision box) I was referring to was about some of the old megas that were fashioned by cutting down a larger mega. When not phanton they made an invisible barrier that was the size of the original mega, and a whole lot bigger than the visible cut piece that you can see. Caused a lot of unintentional encroachment and invisible blocking wall probs for neighbors. |
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Seeker Yuequi
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05-19-2008 14:08
A bit on the heavy side... I mean, I feel no anger or resentment. And I understand why it is best not to speak until you have something to say. When they speak, they get slammed. When they wait, they get slammed. "Our" track record of support for the Lindens has been spotty at best. In thier position, I think I would just wing it and hope for the best, judging each situation on its own merits. |
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Seeker Yuequi
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05-19-2008 14:09
...The bounding box probs (i shoulda said Collision box) I was referring to was about some of the old megas that were fashioned by cutting down a larger mega. When not phanton they made an invisible barrier that was the size of the original mega, and a whole lot bigger than the visible cut piece that you can see. Caused a lot of unintentional encroachment and invisible blocking wall probs for neighbors. That seems to be fixed in Havok 4. |
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Keira Wells
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05-19-2008 14:26
Uhhh-ohhhh.... You've started something now Keira.... I think we need a new forum thread. "Request your cookie from Keira". Atm I only has giant oreos, but chocolate chip and oatmeal raisin are in the oven, should be done by tomorrow ^_^ If anyone wants a giant cookie, send me an IM in-world, and let me know what kind! (I can also do various sizes. Let me know what general range you want!) OK, done derailing >.> If I had my own thread for this my oven would break! ETA:: Oh, and I also has giant (About 30 lbs I'd say) cupcakes for those who want something a bit..mm...cakier. _____________________
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Keira Wells
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05-19-2008 14:29
Done... Happy with the result... Now where's mah cookie!?!?!? (>_<  Iss in your mailbox, silly! _____________________
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Seeker Yuequi
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05-19-2008 14:41
ETA:: Oh, and I also has giant (About 30 lbs I'd say) cupcakes for those who want something a bit..mm...cakier. I like you! Thanks for the cookie. |
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Nectere Niven
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05-19-2008 15:01
somehow I doubt they wll ever be officially supported.
Nectere_Niven: Hey Spike - as a heads up I need to start my island Concordia Discorse again. It seems perhaps these new mega prims are not actually deleting, at least not on my island. Not with megas I have created or from the new batch I got via exchange. Not sure what to make of it, but they keep blocking me in long after I delete them, even tried relogging. Do you have any other suggestions or are you getting any similar reports? (I know they arent supported yet) Spike: hey Nectere Nectere_Niven: howdy Nectere_Niven: whats they que time for island restarts anyway? Spike: mega prims are created with an exploit and don't really work properly. The ability to create them again will be taken away Nectere_Niven: the* Spike: you can restart your own island yourself.. Nectere_Niven: oh? bummer, thought this was something that was a foretelling of future support Spike: nah, some recent changes seamed to let them be enabled again, but we're going to be stopping that Spike: wasn't intentional Nectere_Niven: any eta on taking that ability away? Nectere_Niven: and do you mind if I repeat what you just said? Spike: don't mind at all. Spike: and soon Nectere_Niven: eep! ok whats the eta on getting my island restarted once I hit the button - do you know approx? Spike: 2 minutes Nectere_Niven: I mean after I do that for it to come back online? Spike: it gives a 2 minute warning, then restarts. Nectere_Niven: I ask because in the past its taken up to a couple of hours so I wanted to see if I really want to do it right now or later Spike: depends upon how much is on the island, an empty one will take about 10 secs.. Spike: shouldn't be more than 2 mins.. Spike: Sometimes, if we're having lots of host activity, it can be slower... Nectere_Niven: haha mostly full I think about have about 2k prims left Spike: Sometimes, it can get picked up by a host that dies right away. Spike: It its taking like 20mins, let us know and we'll fix whatevers being a pain to bring it up Nectere_Niven: ok I guess I will go ahead and hit the kill switch on it and hope for the best XD Thanks Spike, going to let some people know about the *sniff* megas going away soon Spike: oh wait.. Spike: the ability to create new ones will be going.. we won't be deleting what already exists. Nectere_Niven: wait? please say they arent going away! Nectere_Niven: bummer. Spike: will damage too much content. Nectere_Niven: I mean good, but bummer - do you think we will ever be able to create say up to a 50x? Spike: doubtful, there are some pretty bad effects from lots of large prms. Spike: 10x is a limit for a reason, not to be annoying, hehe. Nectere_Niven: lol I gotcha, and so I see with my bounding boxes all over the place where prims where Nectere_Niven: one more thing - where is the send this chat to email checkbox? Did it move? Spike: lol Spike: Its after it closes.. afaik Nectere_Niven: ok cool, thanks again and have a good one, hopefully you wont hear from me in 20 Did you see it? If you missed it here it is again: Nectere_Niven: I mean good, but bummer - do you think we will ever be able to create say up to a 50x? Spike: doubtful, there are some pretty bad effects from lots of large prms. Spike: 10x is a limit for a reason, not to be annoying, hehe. _____________________
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Ceera Murakami
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05-19-2008 15:07
Well, I created over 300 megas in different sizes, working in three different sims, and they all behaved fine. Not one of them left any trace behind after being deleted or taken back into inventory. (All 3 sims were on class 5 servers, and none had any appreciable lag isues before, during or after the creation of the prims.)
I still have some rezzed in-world in two sims, and aside from the fact that they don't appear correctly on the mini-map, they seem to be working just like any normal-sized prim. _____________________
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Seeker Yuequi
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05-19-2008 15:21
somehow I doubt they wll ever be officially supported. Did you see it? If you missed it here it is again: Who is Spike? Sorry, I just don't know, and wondered. |
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Keira Wells
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05-19-2008 15:29
Who is Spike? Sorry, I just don't know, and wondered. Spike Linden is a UK Concierge helper. I believe that's the Spike reference, because of the mention of sim restart. _____________________
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Seeker Yuequi
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05-19-2008 15:33
Spike Linden is a UK Concierge helper. I believe that's the Spike reference, because of the mention of sim restart. I just thought a Linden would always have "Linden" in thier name. That has been my experience. I don't need help a lot... so maybe things have changed. |
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Puppet Shepherd
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05-19-2008 15:58
Massively contacted LL directly (or went through LL's PR firm) for a statement, it's not a rehash of something that's posted. You know, I didn't see where they cited a source in that article. In my opinion, that's completely irresponsible reporting, and I'm quite disappointed in Massively for doing that. I am most certainly not going to take what's said in the article as the gospel truth and stop using megaprims on mainland. Since Prospero seems to be indicating on record that they're still developing a policy, and I haven't seen anything from LL that contradicts that, I'd trust that more than a web journalist that won't cite sources. http://www.massively.com/2008/05/15/megaprim-creation-stopped _____________________
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05-19-2008 16:25
I had a 50x50 cube removed a few weeks back on mainland by a Linden, but it was overhanging Linden land a bit, but the new megaprim 50x50x40 fixed that
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Qie Niangao
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05-19-2008 17:26
If Spike and/or massively are still saying discouraging things about the prospects for megaprims *post* H4, then they need a consult with Andrew. There's this whole "megaprim liberation" objective toward which H4 made great progress, with some sticky stuff left (like the prim encroachment problem--on which a lot of progress has also been reported, and not just for megaprims). Try googling:
site:wiki.secondlife.com "megaprim liberation" and sample the results. Sorry to be testy here, but it's a little disconcerting when the old party line is still getting reinforced in some channels. No bloody wonder it sometimes seems LL is just ignoring its customers, when what it does to address those needs gets buried under a pile of samizdat dezinformatsia. Or a pile of something, anyway. _____________________
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Kitty Barnett
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05-20-2008 00:34
You know, I didn't see where they cited a source in that article. In my opinion, that's completely irresponsible reporting, and I'm quite disappointed in Massively for doing that. I am most certainly not going to take what's said in the article as the gospel truth and stop using megaprims on mainland. Since Prospero seems to be indicating on record that they're still developing a policy, and I haven't seen anything from LL that contradicts that, I'd trust that more than a web journalist that won't cite sources. Any Linden can say "we won't return megaprims on the mainland unless they're causing problems", but the company can still have "no megaprims on the mainland" as official policy. We care more about what they do rather than what they say so that's why we take an individual Linden's statements as policy while it's something different. Massively likely just contacted Lewis PR/LL for an official statement which would force LL to state its official policy rather than hint at casual enforcement of it. There would also no source to cite in a private statement other than to attribute it to the source, Linden Lab (possibly by means of Lewis PR). If you pressed you'd likely just get "Prospero and Andrew do not speak for Linden Lab" which is what they reported as well: "While Andrew Linden had suggested this at his in-world office-hours earlier in the week, we've been repeatedly advised that statements by individual staff at such meetings do not necessarily constitute or reflect official policy or positions of Linden Lab". |
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Puppet Shepherd
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05-20-2008 04:23
Massively likely just contacted Lewis PR/LL for an official statement which would force LL to state its official policy rather than hint at casual enforcement of it. There would also no source to cite in a private statement other than to attribute it to the source, Linden Lab (possibly by means of Lewis PR). Thing is, we don't know that's what they did. We have no idea who they got that idea from. And from what I learned waaay back in Journalism 101, that's bad reporting, good for nothing but stirring up a panic. I know T.N. is in with "teh FIC" and all, but just because she writes something, I'm not going to believe it's the truth unless she says who she got it from and I can confirm it. _____________________
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Dana Hickman
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05-20-2008 10:49
Any Linden can say "we won't return megaprims on the mainland unless they're causing problems", but the company can still have "no megaprims on the mainland" as official policy. We care more about what they do rather than what they say so that's why we take an individual Linden's statements as policy while it's something different. If "official policy" truly IS different than what's been enforced up till now (if there even IS an official policy for this), it's not written anywhere meaning the residents were never informed of it. There's an unwritten rule that says you don't allow something legal under the rules, then one day decide to make it a crime and go around and nail everyone for something that was legal a few minutes ago without due notification beforehand. They notified us beforehand about the casinos. If they'd do that with something that has as many legal ramifications as illegal gambling, you can probably bet they'd let us know well ahead of time if they decided to make something minor like mainland megaprims a big no-no. After reading the part in the Massively article about account sanctions for mere use (they said ANY use) on the mainland, I can only conclude that either they were misinfomed by a Linden because the working stance on megas isn't fully defined yet, or that line in the article is completely ficticious. Either way it shouldn't have made it into print. |
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05-20-2008 11:07
... As if the notecard-witch-hunts never happened. (=_=)
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