The OFFICIAL Poll - Copybot: Should be Allowed or Should be Banned

This is the poll that will show LindenLab how the residents of Secondlife feel about Copybot

How would it get banned?

I have no idea how it'll get banned... but if LL doesn't want their product (SL) to go to the scrapheep, they better think of something.. and fast.

The only way to block a program like copybot would be for SL to run with full system privileges (Administrator on Windows, root on OS X or Linux) and disable itself if packet sniffers are running, and use various aggressive (and possibly illegal) techniques to prevent users from running it in virtual environments or on other computers.

This would be extremely unprofessional of them, to say the least! Not to mention a security violation and possibly a DMCA violation on their own since they'd be bypassing a security mechanism to run with system privileges.

Oh, and it wouldn't work.

Banning anyone selling the tool would be a good start.

I don't know about the techy stuff behind how SL works....


All I know is LL MUST come up with a way to render the copybot non-working.

very easily,
it is removed from the main database, that way it will appear as "missing from database" when someone tries to use it

LL banning users is like trying to scoop water out of a leaking boat, what with unverified accounts.

It's likely a combo of libSL and some scripts in-game, which you can bet are saved outside of SL.

If you have a SL store or business please close it tonight in protest. If we have a united voice they havetolisten,if we do nothing we are all stuffed with this item on sale on the grid.

Adam n Eve is closed. Please close up, if there are no stores the shoppers will be angry, the publicity will be negative and LL will be compelled to act on this issue.

Use of CopyBot and Similar Tools a ToS Violation
Tuesday, November 14th, 2006 at 3:47 pm by corylinden
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Second Life needs features to provide more information about assets and the results of copying them. Unfortunately, these are not yet in place. Until they are, the use of CopyBot or any other external application to make unauthorized duplicates within Second Life will be treated as a violation of Section 4.2 of the Second Life Terms of Service and may result in your account(s) being banned from Second Life.


about time.

Well, I do appreciate the fact that LL has made the copybot against TOS....

Now, I think LL needs to find a way to either remove it's functionality or receive notice any time any avatar uses it.


What's to stop people from creating an alt, using the copybot, and sending the replications to a different AV?

That can backfire. People could figure out you gave up and left, and start copying your stuff even more because if they can't get it from you, and you won't get any money for it anyway, there's no harm in copying it, is it?

Not possible. The bot simply receives the data the server sends you that's needed to display it, then replicates it. It's equivalent to unlinking an avatar and recreating the prims by hand, only automated. It doesn't need to do anything you can't do yourself, only slower.

Im not sure how the program works but im going to request the community in our sim just closes to the public untill further notice, its not fair that we put in the work and have to wait three months for a fix, Amazing that they do this just when they are about to do a Price rise, LOL i wonder if this is to take the heat from that? :|

I really have nothing of interest that would be copied....and I am terribly upset for all of the content creators and business owners... and I am upset that LL perceives this as an issue rather than a traumatizing devistation to SL.

This just shows that businesses in SL are very very vaunerable.


My avatar is NOW CLOSED!!

I am putting myself in my inventory until this problem is 100% rectified.

It's completely unimportant if LL has the technical abilities to prevent a packet sniffer from working.

Does any RL law prevent any citizen from commiting a crime? No. But we have laws anyway. Why do we even bother? Obviously we still have enough criminals, despite our laws. The answer is simple: without laws we'd have total anarchy. Laws prevent at least the majority of the population from considering a criminal offense.

LL has totally screwed up in this case. Instead of pointing at the TOS and threatening with bans, no matter if they're really able to enforce it, they assure potential content thiefs that they don't do anything wrong as long as they don't sell the stolen goods. It's like saying "Feel free to drive as fast as you want, drunk even, but as soon as you kill someone by accident we will persecute this - but only if the surviving dependants found out what happened and sue you."

Does anyone wanna know who voted "should be allowed"??


....hmmm..... (turns and bolts over to SLuniverse.com)

I hope that LL has given serious thought to what the copybot will do to this community and what it already has.

Stores are closing! People are and will continue to close accounts. Allowing something like this will kill SL.

Being a memeber of virtual chats for 8yrs now I have seen this time and time again. 6months from now they will not have the amount of accounts they have now. It will continue to decrease until like other worlds I have belong to become a total of a few die-hard members or memebers with life accts or of simular nature.

One world I belonged to even went so far as to beg customers for donations to keep the world open.

We come here to create please do not make all the hard work that we put into making and developing be a thing of the past.

Linden Lab I urge you to consider killing all scripting of this nature.

Whispering Dawn

Yep whispering, it usually takes one event, then the wrong reaction from the company, to bring the entire creation and enterprise into a fad of the past.

LL has not made the copybot against TOS.

They have only said that using it to make unauthorized copies are against TOS. If you use it to make unauthorized copies, you may be in danger of losing your account.

Since LibSL has used it to make MANY unauthorized copies, I'm going to submit AR's on them.

coco

Not if you don't leave.

In fact, then you can devote 100% of your time to patroling the grid for unauthorized copies, as LL seems to want us to do, because you won't be spending all that time creating new content.

coco

Have they said that? Where?

....you know....it's all so clear.

It's almost as if....as if somebody up there, or out West, doesn't like content creators.

Look at the big picture.




(Oswald was a patsy)

Robin more or less said exactly that on the first blog post on this subject:

"Merely copying something doesn’t mean that a copyright violation has occurred. The law discusses ‘fair use’, for example, as one type of copying that is not a violation. If you DO think someone has copied something you made and is violating your copyright by profiting from the copying then you do have the option of using the DMCA process to file a complaint" (emphasis added)

That reads to me like: only someone who profits from copying content can be held liable. Luckily the new blog post sounds a little bit different; only a little, since it comes down to: the TOS will protect your content for a while, but not for long. Soon you'll be on your own.