Way to tell if group members have notices turned on?

I am the owner of an enormous group in SL. I'm looking for ways to keep the number of members down a bit (I know, poor me, doesn't everyone wish they had this problem. ) I already remove accounts that haven't logged in for over 45 days. I would really like to require having group notices turned on as a condition of membership. However, I don't know if or how it's possible to see if a particular member has notices on. Is there a way, either in the standard viewer, or in some other viewer, to access this info?

Nope.

No direct way to do so. But there is one potential work-around.

Send out a group notice including a notecard they must save, modify either by renaming it or adding text to it, and return it to you. Those who don't return it within a predefined reasonable time period will be removed from the group.

Whether it's really wise to be kicking out members for not reading group notices, I'll let other people debate that.

It's highly possible they could read the notice and just not bother to go through all that. If someone has over 20 groups and they're all sending note cards, notices, event announcements and blabla, it's a lot of hassle. Some days I just click through without reading.

What difference does it make if there are a lot of people in the group, I don't see what it matters. Unless maybe it's private land and you don't want 100 people in the group for that reason. But then why was it a public group to begin with.

I guess I'm having trouble understanding why some group owners are so rule-heavy. I heard one group owner say to people "if you're not going to read my group notices, get out!" Strikes me as a bit egotistical. Let people do what they want. No one's writing Shakespeare in their group announcements far as I know.

Sorry if that sounds sour, but I don't get it.

On the other hand,I don't quite see the point of being in a group if you are not going to read the notices...

read yes... when I have a need or want to, not the second one happens to be sent or bombarded by them when I log on (and for some groups, the group is a benefit, but some of the notices are a detriment)... if I need to check current events in the group, I check the group page... if it's really important I assume I'll get a group IM. and that's really the way to go... if it's important must read material, do a notice AND the IM (it might still miss offline av's with notices turned off though, since group IM's don't go to email and aren't saved for logon, but feature voting does go to email)

Renting? Picks camping? Several things require you to join a group, even though you might not care at all about it.

Yes, true on the picks camping. Renting though, I would think it would be important to read those just in case your landlord is deciding to pack it in.

I go to clubs with my girlfriend. Some of these clubs spam you with group joiners if you don't have their tag. So to stop it without muting anyone, I join the group.

Then I'm getting a silly notice for every event and event halfway point, all day long.

So I either have to turn off notices, or deal with 20+ of them every night when I log in. So, most of my groups have notices turned off.

There's a much easier way to stop the spam from the group joiners - go to a different club.

Actually, you could probably mute the joiner object, but going to a different club is a better strategy in the long run.

These are the "hosts" or DJ's that send the invites, not an object.

Anyway. My point is, don't send out dumb notices, or only send out notices sparingly, and people won't disable notices.

My group has over 10000 people in it. The notecard idea, while a good one, just isn't practical. OMG the number of notecards I would receive.

People have to join to get Picks rewards, among other reasons. The problem I am running into is that out of that huge number of people, I often only get 10 or so showing up to events. Live music and themed events do better, with 30-40 on average, but with 10K people, you'd think I could get 20-30 at pretty much every event I run. And no, the events with poor attendance don't suck, they are typical club events if not better. So what I am forced to conclude from that is that many people have notices turned off. And my feeling is, if you are going to get free stuff from me, you need to participate in activities and generally contribute to the community in some way. Hence the idea of tying membership to receiving notices.

No matter how many people are showing up now, removing people form the group won't increase that number. With a group that big, I'm betting a large number actually receive notices - and ignore them.

Maybe instead of rewarding people for joining the group, you should reward people for showing up.

Because some groups cost to get into. So you might not want the notices for the time being, if you are too busy to go to the events, etc. Or you may prefer to check out events online (many groups have blogs). Or you may intend to be more active at a later date, and are getting SO many announcements that it's capping your IMs.

There are lots of reasons. Reading announcements isn't the bulk of being in a group, imo. Also, let's admit, some group owners are really heavy with announcements, to the point of it being spam.

Other groups require people to belong to two or three subgroups. And the announcements are repeated for each one of THOSE.

Group owners, if a lot of people don't seem to be reading your notices, maybe keep notices to one a day, tops. Not five a day just to announce one event.

Have to agree when I come on and see these notices and there might be dozens of them. It is a major turn off. Having to sort through all them before I am really fully rezzed.

I have one group that I like being in but seems it is Hey get down here time to dance.. Then Hey where are you.... Hey we are at our half way mark... On and on. So yes I turn off notices on some groups. When I have time and feel the need I go into the group and read.

Bec

I see this a little differently I guess. You're paying people to put your club (shop, venue, etc) in their picks. You pay them to do so to increase your business.........like advertising. My mental vision of this in a real life setting is those sign holders one might see at a busy intersection twirling big signs with "Homes" and an arrow. Those people get paid to do that of course (not much I'm sure). And it seems you are also wanting to require those people to pay attention, attend the events you put on or otherwise show interest in whatever it is that you are paying them for. You are just not going to get much of what you want from them.........you told them you would pay them to put you in their picks. They do that and you pay them.......that's the extent of the job. Kind of like camping.....park your avatar in a chair or on a dance pad and get "free lindens". It's actually easier to join your group and get paid than to camp and it's a lot easier on the servers and everyone involved. But, like camping, it's an effort to get people to come to whatever it is you do for a business and make you money. Only you can tell if it's worth the lindens you pay the group members. I don't think you can require the group members to actually attend your evernts........or even to pay attention to your notices. They want the lindens, they have you in their picks and they expect you to pay them. Now you're expecting them to do something else.......or you're going to kick them out of the group. Why? Are not enough people attending your events? Do you feel they are just taking your money (which proabably about 90% are)? Is it worth the lindens you put out? If it is, leave it alone and continue as you are. If it's not then figure a way to get more bang of you buck......if that's kicking out the "freeloaders" then you can certainly do that (though your attendance will not increase......might go down even).

You might want to have a little ToS for group membership stating that you expect the group members to attend so many events a week, month, quarter, or whatever to continue the lindens coming their way. Whatever you do, if you think of those $L you are shelling out as strictly advertising investment you can decide if it's a good investment.

Peggy your first and second paragraph (actually first and second half of the first paragraph) seem to contradict each other but I think I got the jist of what you were saying.

If so, then I agree with you. I do not think anything more than having someone in the picks page should be required, if that was the condition they agreed to. Some places pay for picks, but what has that got to do with group announcements. I can't figure that out.

I think it sounds like MOST people are turning off the announcements which tells me those might be excessively sent out. Some places do send out an announcement every hour or so and if you've been off SL a week or that av is an alt, it's hella-annoying upon return. I either leave those groups or turn off announcements until I get squared away again. If I didn't have IM sent to email I'd miss at least half of actual friend IM, due to these stupid announcement spams.

I am a big believer in sending out a NOTECARD once a week, with the week's events on it, and then leave it at that. Period.

(As for the OP, if getting people in there is the problem, then have them have to come in to get paid, and/or to get the freebie.)

I would have to say that forcing people to read popups is not a good thing. Whether they're group notices or not they are perhaps not the most important thing to individuals other than your self.

For me if I'm doing something or working on something, I'm doing it because I want to. If I don't want to read your group notice then I'm not gonna read it. If you tell me I have to read your group notices I'm gonna get the impression you think your message is more important than what I'm doing and that's just never the case lol. I'm the most important person in my life not a group owner.

I think I'd leave a group if I was told that I had to read popups. Yes people join groups to keep up do date on information, or consult one another, or affiliate themselves with a group. But a requirement to view all group notices? I can't think of any reason someone would have to do that except for a case of advertising. Then I could see the personal gain and benefit for an owner to enforce it.

One thing I have thought of doing is to make a second group, non-open-enrollment. To get invited to and remain in the group, people would have to meet certain requirements, one of which could be event attendance. They would also get perks, like exclusive Picks. I just hate to make people use ANOTHER group slot - both my members and my staff. I wish there were a way to do it by group role or something.

Why not use subscribo for some of this, Ayesha?

Unfortunately, Picks boards and such require a SL group. However, I could possibly require people to join the subscribomatic...but then I'd have to constantly compare the 2 lists, plus we couldn't send notices to the group, otherwise people would get repeats. Blah. Wouldn't really work.

Maybe hire someone to help manage this very large group. Dunno.

The biggest problem with this is that the delivery of group notices is a pretty sporadic thing right now and many people do not even realize it -- and therefore do not realize that they are not getting notices.

a) That was not in the fine print.

b) We do not get free stuff from you. You pay us to take your place into your picks. We perform a paid service for you in getting you a better search ranking.

c) If only a handful of people show up at your events, maybe you should think about other forms of marketing them. I don't think people not reading popups is the main reason they're not showing up.

OR they read the notices like I do and ignore the events. I don't know what kind of group it is, but I join store groups to keep up on releases and I personally do not give a crap about their various events. Most events are too laggy to enjoy anyway.

Also, as I have already mentioned, it is highly likely that many of the members are not even getting the notices and if they do not think to check notice history (or even know about notice history) they do not know they are missing notices. It is documented that the notice delivery problem occurs more frequently in larger groups.

Actually this is not true. I have a few stores in my Picks but I am not a member of their inworld group. Groups and Picks are two different functions.

Does the very front page of your group info specify this. If there were a way to enforce this, I would bet that your group membership would drop to less than 10% of what it currently is........ way less.
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