Estate Land - Is this how it works?

I'm under the pretense that if an estate owner quits paying LL, gets banned, or just quits SL in general, the land he/she owns and rents to other people will be reclaimed by LL.

That being said, I guess estates are really risky to do... Getting estate land is cheaper for me, but if it's a horribly unreliable system, what's another alternative?

Thanks.

That is true. However, the estate my main property is in, for instance, is many many sims, probably over a hundred thousand US dollar investment for the estate manager. That is a sizable investment for someone to just abandon. And it isn't even one of the larger estates. I've owned land in three different estates, I've had an excellent experience in two of them, not so great in the third, but nothing that even came close to me losing the land.

What's another alternative? Well, I bought my own island. Realized I was paying enough tier in the estates to cover the cost of an island, so decided to go that route...then decided one of the old properties had enough sentimental value I'm keeping it too...lol

Damnation to my $7/hour part time job

Well,we all have priorities, I'd rather live in a tent in the woods and steal internet access from a nearby unprotected wireless installation and fore go food in order to have a palace in SL. Others might make a different choice.

The point I was trying to make was that buying land in one of the larger estates is actually fairly low risk. You asked for alternative, and there are really only two...buying mainland, or buying your own island.

Ok thanks, I'll look into estates a bit more once I decide what to build >_(<

If you buy mainland you get to keep it unless you don't pay your tier.

There is risk in "renting" or "buying" on an estate, but generally it's nothing to worry about. At most you're typically only out a week's rent! There's a risk buying RL real estate, too, but most people are never stung by it.

Super low risk Estate owners with great reputations: Sarah Nerd, Kandee Herrey, Wildefire Walcott, Desmond Shang (his sims have a waiting list, I believe).

Add to that list Marmelagramela Doesenburg (i am not in world, hope i spelt that right, but the first name is correct and she is the only Marmelagramela in the list) from whom i have rented a beach plot in perfect peace and tranquillity for several months now with no nasty surprises, at very reasonable rates.

imogen

PS Always read the covenant carefully when renting, and be prepared to obey the conditions therein.

Would add Cerze Ophelia and Alexandra Fallon as well(Alexandra's a commercial sims) as well as the estates of Dreamland, Cyberland, and Fairchang.

Add Diddster Jinx

Awesome, thanks for the list of reputable land renters/sellers

I don't like going around self promoting, but I kind of take offense to the inference that if a 'land renter' isn't on this list, they must be disreputable. I have a stellar reputation, and I am more than fair with my renters. And I can guarantee you I'll be here 10 years from now, assuming SL is still around. So please, add Darien Caldwell, and Caldwell Estates to your 'list' if there must be one.

Could be worse. Could be L$7/hour.

I second this. Sorry to have left you off my list of recommends. You are one of the very best.

I second that, for Kandee Herrey! I've had land on her estate for several months and have received nothing but the best treatment. She and her husband are so nice, that I'm even working for them now! I didn't have any intention to get yet another job in SL lol!

If you read, understand and abide by the covenant then you shouldnt have any problems with a good estate, check with other residents 1st to see if theyre happy too. And if you are going to be a bit late paying your fees let them know, most are flexible so long as they know whats going on.

Hmm where to start. Ive been in Second Life for a little over three years..have learned how to build..little scripting..made some money, done some buisness with people and yes..sad to say, made some enemies..but most of you know..when someone doesn't suit you..how they act..or what they say to you isn't what you would call "nice"..it's pretty easy to spot.

This is a warning to those scripters builders managers etc. out there who might be fooled by a shiny new promise and yea even a contract offered to them for working for a "big estate firm" in Second life.The type of firm where the owner has 80 plus sims and a rather large "team" of ppl working for them that they like to call "family". The type of Second Life Corp. that rents out SIMS to unsuspecting buyers.

I recently fell prey to a scam...a very malicious..methodical thought out scam being perveyed onto Females avatars and usually (women in real life) who excel in scripting..building ,managing etc..and who will gladly take on a job with the promise of a new home and a parcel of land to place it on for free..or even large quantities of $Lindens etc etc etc.

Sad to say I had known the owner of this virtual estate firm for over two years. Last year they had a bout with depression, drinking..whatever..blamed it on the ex-RL GF and took a vacation (so to speak) from second life...leaving many many renters in a bad way. Renters not having estate rights..not being able to add friends to groups etc.(Renters messaging me of all people The compnaies architect, asking where the h*** the owner was)This was the first time i had noticed anything (out of place ) in this "friends" behavior.

I had been hired by this virtual estate firm to build for one of their clients who had payed a nice little chunk of change to start their own "stock exchange"..later to find out after my build sat for three months (unused) that the owner (my friend) who had been M.I.A. was supposed to be doing the scripting for this "stock exchange".It was never finished and the build dismantled.

Also..older friends of this guy than I, started falling by the wayside...messaging me to tell me they weren't "one of his slaves".."they needed to be paid"..and "they did not work for free."Then they would quit.

Needless to say..even though the promises of a computer for better connectivity..the promise of a house and parcel of land to set it on had not been delivered..(5 months after those promises were made). I stood by my friend. No work had been sent my way involving this Virtual estate firm but i had begun to drum up a little bit of buisness on my own.

Then..my friend decides to come back..his sebatical finished..his SL buisness in shambles ( because of his neglect) but his mind clear and focused on what he wanted..the direction he wanted to take the company and the Jobs he needed to be done. (by me)...we discussed a major project of building an 5 SIM urban headquarters for his estate firm . I quoted him my low price per sim and we were off.

Now..this is where things get tricky. This friend came to me telling me he wanted to collar me.I am a sub in SL and was Master-less. i thought a great deal of this man..He is physically attractive..good head on his shoulders..intelligent...and we shared a lot of common interests..(it seemed).I told him I wanted to wait and see because i really couldn't trust someone who could just up and leave without a moments notice. He concurred and paid me for my firsts month work..told me we would discuss the collaring at the end of the month. I agreed and set to building his little 5 SIM empire.

After a month of hard grueling work.....developing two SIMs and working on the 3rd 4th and 5th SIM..catching this guy with other females on my pose balls..on my furniture that I had used as an investment in this "company".After countless meetings of hearing how great the build looked..how good the buisness was doing..he fires me and takes on a new GF(of course i was thrown to the side)...he banns me from the estate...kicks me from all groups associated with with his estate..tells everyone i was a loose end...a pathetic woman who imagined his attentions towards me and a psycotic jealous bitch...and did this all before a majority of the build had been transferred to his inventory by me.

Initially..I felt as if this was just..two people not compatible for each other?...but after a few weeks of doing my homework and remembering buisness associations of this guy..adding 2 + 2..i came to a slow realisation this is his modus aperandi..this is how he operates.

Theres several clients and ex-employess and ex-2+ year friends of this man that are not on his "A list"..anymore.(since theyve been used up.) He has some very shady buisness dealings with people who have bought 10 + SIMS from him that have been implicated in major money scam schemes..stock exchanges going bad..$Linden Exchange holding Companies that have bellied up..all these people have ties with this man. he has more disgruntled employees who he owes money to than are currently working for him.

After finding out from him that his Real Life job as an IT engineer manager/consultant for a banking investment firm hasnt contacted him in over a month ( he supposedly was so good that he was "on call" as a "last line of defense" for this Firm in SanFrancisco, He doesn't pay me..gets a 6 month visa and runs off to Europe..asks this new GF to go with him(where he's getting the money to do this..well who knows).

Thing is..this "new SL GF"..well she has a radio station in SL..and is offering him free air time for advertisement for his virtual estate company..so..he's moved on to his next Victim. I have posted this..not to mention his name..not to assasinate anyones character..not to be a flaming post..but to simply make a clear and dangerous warning to all builders and scripters and managers out there. "This guy is still out there".

If anyone knows someone or is someone who deals with this type of buisness..building for...or scripting for or managing for..a Virtual Estate Firm in Second Life. Feel free to contact me. or "simply read my profile". We can discuss details in MSN or yahoo or voice or skype for all i care(just as long as you get the jist of who it's safe to work for and who not.). But please do your homework. I was taken..fooled...and i would really hate to see this continue to happen again and again and again as this guy perpetrates this internet fraud on lonely talented females out there in the real world.

If you are reading this and know who I am talking about..you have been burned by this crook..please feel free to leave a post with your experiences..but i would like this post to remain viewable...no names please.

All i can say is..it was a VERy "surreal" experience for me.

One of the afore mentioned Estate owners needs not be mentioned..please see my profile for further details.

Just wanted to put Kevin Ludwig's name out there too, I rent from him, he has many sims, and the prices are the lowest I have ever seen, even beating mainland tier prices from what I've seen!!

Just had to weigh in here......The very short list has been given here, so you really should take a look at more than what is posted here. Some great property management companies are out there, but may not promote themselves on the forums...

Also, some that have been mentioned here may have done right by some and not by others. I am not going to bash any of those mentioned, but just know that there are various opinions and experiences....Do your homework and get references...

In response to Lana....I second her evaluation....

Take care,
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Wow..That was pretty harsh stuff.
Anyways..back to the A-List...Tanglewood Estates should be on it !!

What on earth ....?

If you rent mainland the same thing will happen if the land owner stops paying LL. You can of course get a premium membership, buy mainland and then only you are responsible for the bills.

Could be even worse. Could be 7 hour/$L.

oops....I really didn't mean it to sound harsh. Very sorry if it came across that way.

Take care,
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