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12-12-2007 19:43
From: Kitty Barnett
*Someone* at LL isn't happy with SL as strictly an entertainment product but wants to see it as much more than that and since Philip has the last say in everything, I don't think it's the "let's fix what we have and worry about the dream later" camp that won.



That is not what I am reading in Phillip Rosedale's speach regarding the new mission statement which he gave on Nov. 21, 2007, only what 3 weeks ago. It sounds to me like he is saying we need to fix it or we won't have a dream later.

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/21/long-road-behind-long-road-ahead/


From: someone

So what should come next? Taking a look at the last few years, we’ve gotten many of the critical features working and scaled the world just enough for people to believe. We have managed to create the first really viable virtual world, but how can we be relevant in the future? Our goal initially was to quickly make things work… for example avatar animation, a scripting language, buying land, or voice. But now we seem to have reached a point where the rapid addition of capabilities is no longer the key challenge, and indeed can be counterproductive. So we sat down and thought about this together, and concluded that the first mission statement was complete, and that we needed both another mission statement and probably a different way of doing things. That change came at about the same time I stood up at the SLCC conference wearing a “Missing Image” T-shirt (sadly I’m sure most of you get the joke) and talked about how all too often Linden Lab is now simply ‘in the way’. In the way of you creating your Second Life, or having a collaborative meeting, or keeping your virtual business running. I promised that we were listening, and that we would change from being a ‘lab’ trying to bring SL to life into a company that keeps SL growing and scaling until everyone in the world is online. See how that all goes together?

Looking back at the last year or so we’ve seen lots of challenges, and I think, though they’ve been hard, we’ve been able to weather them: Second Life has grown enormously faster than our systems have been able to support, we collected European VAT charges in a clumsy way, we restricted different types of activities to comply with the law and our own principles, and we suffered through far too much downtime and instability. But we’ve also started to change in the way I had promised in September. Our downtimes have been lower for September and October than during the summer, we have done a better job communicating and handling the release process, we’ve identified and fixed some sources of content loss, and have a solid plan and work underway for substantially reducing both client and server crashing in Q4 and Q1. It may sometimes seem like we are not listening, but I can tell you that we are. We are changing, for the better, and I think, for a company of almost 250 people, we are doing it faster than expected.

Looking ahead, some thoughts. As I mentioned above, our weakest link is now clearly crashing (both client and server), and we are going to very substantially reduce it over the next two quarters. Our update to our physics engine, which is now in beta testing, is one visible example and will hopefully greatly decrease server crashing. Stability is what we’ve got to be all about in the first half of 2008, at the cost of other work.
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12-13-2007 01:08
From: ArchTx Edo
That is not what I am reading in Phillip Rosedale's speach regarding the new mission statement which he gave on Nov. 21, 2007, only what 3 weeks ago. It sounds to me like he is saying we need to fix it or we won't have a dream later.

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/21/long-road-behind-long-road-ahead/


Rosedale SAYS lots of things - usually what any audience wants to hear. Im more interested in what he DOES to SOLVE the problems.

He is good, very good, at talk. I see little else though.

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12-13-2007 01:26
I think Philip's always been very sincere, albeit idealistic and even unrealistic. I don't see anything in the blog post that leads me to believe he's not sincere, and keep in mind, he's done some of the coding also. It's the breaking of the team that is a concern, really, because he'll have to find someone to fit with the other team members and work well with him and Robin. It seems Zero Linden has been promoted in some capacity, as he's doing the rewrite on the architecture, so someone else was speculating that Cory's departure isn't as big and dramatic as we've supposed. I guess we wait and see.
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12-13-2007 06:17
The blog post does suggest he wants to concentrate on fixing it. Unfortunately, the changed mission statement also seems to suggests that he wants to continue the focus on corporates and RL imports (it's no longer a priority to "advance the capabilities" of users, ie, no longer a priority to make people able to do in SL things they could not do outside it)
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12-13-2007 07:51
From: Thunderclap Morgridge

I think that Cory was asked to resign (ie let go) because Coke went to There. Coke had a virtual world, arrived here first and spent a year here. Had SL been stable enough, their world moved here.


Quite frankly, Coke doesn't belong here. Coke belongs in a place with a younger demographic, more "family-friendly" content and a more controlled environment. I'm actually impressed that their (Coke) marketing team saw this and made the correct choice for their brand.
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12-13-2007 07:59
So much speculation in this thread. Who knows how or if this will change SL's direction? My guess would be, not much. The only thing any of us actually know is that none of us actually know. As Geirge Carlin would say, could be meat, could be cake.

To whoever the new CTO is going to be I just have this to say: Give us additional avatar texture layers before I have a tantrum! kthx.
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12-13-2007 08:17
From: Chip Midnight
So much speculation in this thread. Who knows how or if this will change SL's direction? My guess would be, not much. The only thing any of us actually know is that none of us actually know. As Geirge Carlin would say, could be meat, could be cake.

To whoever the new CTO is going to be I just have this to say: Give us additional avatar texture layers before I have a tantrum! kthx.

Or to quote Eddie Izzard....Cake...or Death?
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12-13-2007 08:19
From: Brenda Connolly
Or to quote Eddie Izzard....Cake...or Death?



Brenda, what did you do with Cory! Pretty suspicious that all this happened during your week "away".

Did you go to LL to straighten things out?
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12-13-2007 08:22
By the end of the thread I forgot what the topic was...
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12-13-2007 08:22
From: Isablan Neva
Quite frankly, Coke doesn't belong here. Coke belongs in a place with a younger demographic, more "family-friendly" content and a more controlled environment. I'm actually impressed that their (Coke) marketing team saw this and made the correct choice for their brand.



A group where it will take longer to develop diabetes and/or obesity from drinking this dreadful stuff.
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12-13-2007 08:27
From: Dnali Anabuki
Brenda, what did you do with Cory! Pretty suspicious that all this happened during your week "away".

Did you go to LL to straighten things out?

A different roll or two of the dice, and I just may have done that.
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12-13-2007 08:28
Well...all I can think to say is Happy Sailing Cory...I appreciate your enormous contributions to the world, Second Life, I inhabit. I'll be thinking of you every time I write a line of LSL and when I hang with Ms. Muse and discuss the deeper implications of virtual worlds and modern humanity.

[Cory will likely never see this. Which makes it even more poetic.]

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12-13-2007 08:43
From: Dnali Anabuki
A group where it will take longer to develop diabetes and/or obesity from drinking this dreadful stuff.


Basically, yes. The average demographic in SL skews late twenties and up. By that age, most have their taste preferences well ingrained. This is why marketers of nutritional crap (fast food, soft drinks, candy, sugary cereals) market heavily to younger taste buds - to build habit and taste loyalty. Why we can ban cigarette advertising and not all this other junk still astounds me. (Yeah, yeah, yeah...spare me the Free Market sermon - those who might be so inclined.:D )
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12-13-2007 10:06
From: Chip Midnight
To whoever the new CTO is going to be I just have this to say: Give us additional avatar texture layers before I have a tantrum! kthx.

Does this put you in the "we want SL to move forward with new features" camp or the "stop adding bling and fix what we've got" camp?

/me guesses the answer is somewhere in between but I don't see many people say that. It's usually one pole or the other..
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12-13-2007 11:08
New thread started as this wasnt exactly on target... sorry for the blank post
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12-13-2007 11:11
From: Meade Paravane
Does this put you in the "we want SL to move forward with new features" camp or the "stop adding bling and fix what we've got" camp?

/me guesses the answer is somewhere in between but I don't see many people say that. It's usually one pole or the other..


I'm definitely in the "keep advancing the platform" camp. There are some serious walls that we've been banging our heads against for years now that really need to be addressed. They definitely need to keep hammering away at stability, but I'd hate to see that get all the attention.
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12-13-2007 11:18
From: Chip Midnight
I'm definitely in the "keep advancing the platform" camp. There are some serious walls that we've been banging our heads against for years now that really need to be addressed. They definitely need to keep hammering away at stability, but I'd hate to see that get all the attention.


Stability should get nearly all the attention and if that means hiring more people, that should happen. The platform needs stability above all else.

The UI needs attention, that has been moving slowly. The UI development will help the platform. Being able to change and edit the UI, use your own skins yadda yadda yadda.

LL need to start putting customers first, not their own devs.
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12-13-2007 11:21
From: Sling Trebuchet
Define "better offer"
Define "better work"

They are both matters of opinion. There is no absolute "better".
It's up to management to convince people that what they offer overall is "better".

There's little point in people in people "working hard", if someone is not ensuring that they are also working clever.

Somebody no doubt worked very hard on all the recent updates.
However, because nobody appeared to be checking that they work clever, we get a whole bunch of rebroken stuff.


People ask - "WTF?? Why didn't they test this stuff???"
Very simple answer. If you test stuff, you have to tell someone that their creation is broken, and sometimes very stupidly broken. In an organisation driven by a Love Machine, that's a very dangerous thing to do.


i wasnt trying to get philosophical. Honestly i was trying to (misunderstandingly) defend those who may be getting blamed for something that may not be their fault. I work in a similar environment myself. We've lost some great people who left because of what they considered a 'better' offer, and we've gained people in the same way. Many who left didnt want to leave, but the chance of advancement, innovation, bigger paycheck, more benefits, more personal enrichment, fewer hours, whatever...we all know what "better" can mean. My old job started to made me want to kill myself, where process was laid out in a way that an innovator would be blamed instead of praised. I left the corporate dinosaur and joined a small startup. I consider that much better. imo

Regarding testing/QA, seems they get the worst of the blame, usually for that reason, they find mistakes, or get blamed for missing them. Theyre unsung heroes in some situations. I know some who've saved companies and never got any credit for it.
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12-13-2007 11:22
From: Ciaran Laval
Stability should get nearly all the attention and if that means hiring more people, that should happen. The platform needs stability above all else.

The UI needs attention, that has been moving slowly. The UI development will help the platform. Being able to change and edit the UI, use your own skins yadda yadda yadda.

LL need to start putting customers first, not their own devs.

How does being able to add skins help stablilty?
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12-13-2007 11:42
From: Ciaran Laval
Stability should get nearly all the attention and if that means hiring more people, that should happen. The platform needs stability above all else.

The UI needs attention, that has been moving slowly. The UI development will help the platform. Being able to change and edit the UI, use your own skins yadda yadda yadda.

LL need to start putting customers first, not their own devs.




The UI, if you're referring to the client, is open source, so anyone can contribute.

Managing that is a different story and probably one on LL's list.
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12-13-2007 11:58
I think this is very good news for both LL and Cory (even though Cory probably doesn't see it that way just yet). Each has kinda outgrown the other. That's not an original thought on my part; to wit, a couple snippet quotes:
From: bucky Barkley
...The problem that I've been seeing for over a year is a lack of clear engineering leadership. Cory's brilliant, but he's no CTO. There needs to be a strong, world class CTO who can put the brakes on all of the wild feature work and make sure that the foundation is there for people to trust that SL will be around....
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From: Nika Talaj
Personally, I'm hoping that instead of getting a shiny new CTO, LL gets a VP engineering. Someone who can really incentivise, protect and drive their developers in a professional manner. Someone young enough to 'get' open source, and old enough to stand up to Philip Rosedale. ...
Of course the interesting question now is who'll actually be the successor. I'm hoping Philip will know enough to hire from outside, rather than promote one of the existing team: I'm pretty sure about half of Engineering thinks they must be next-in-line, so will surely leave if somebody else from the ranks is selected. (It's not that the whole organization is Tao-addicted--they had real jobs before LL, after all. But I bet every last one of them thinks they're above-average for the group. A steady diet of Love Points will do that to ya.)
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12-13-2007 12:15
So, what was the difference of opinion between these two founders? I think it was kind of mean to fire him since he made all of those contributions over the years, but maybe Cory forced him to. I just love transparency...
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12-13-2007 14:06
Sincere? Oh, I have no doubt that Rosedale believes what he says, its just that I don't.

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12-13-2007 14:14
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..... I'm hoping Philip will know enough to hire from outside, rather than promote one of the existing team: I'm pretty sure about half of Engineering thinks they must be next-in-line, so will surely leave if somebody else from the ranks is selected. .....


It's a classic thing in organisations.
People get promoted until they reach their 'level of incompetence'.

A manager who feels that they have to be "better" that the people who report to them is a disaster that's found a place to happen.
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12-13-2007 15:03
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I agree. Removing the L$ to USD means that many content creators would be leaving and with just reason. Why on earth would LL want us to pay them in L$ if it's not worth USD to the users? .



People can accept real money for creations or services. The Linden can't be "ficticious" and real at the same time. There was never any reason to use the linden for REAL purchases in the first place. It is the root of all evils in SL. Your rhetorical question actually proves the point.

People spending large amounts of money on "tier," were/are out to make a killing. Risky investment. Too bad. No real business is going to fall for it. They are already exiting SL. On the other hand if they had their business local on their own computers, then they actually do "own" their land and their investment is real.

It is inevitable that it well come crashing down anyway, because it is inherently flawed. Fixing it in an orderly way would be far better.
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