Why does SL allow media theives?

I'm just curious why the linden's don't step in against companies that are openly selling illegal material. I'm refering to DVD movie stores, which allow you to purchase a feature length movie and watch it on your home parcel. I know of 4 places at least that do this, and have been for years yet the lindens just turn a blind eye towards the blatant disregard to copyright.

Youtube tv's are also against youtubes terms of service, but youtube themselves is doing something about it to work on locking it out.

Why don't the FBI stop all the federal copyright law infringement American's are doing on the internet?

Do you know for certain that LL are aware of the movie deal?
I am sure LL do not know all that is being sold in shops maybe you should report the shops to LL or to the distributors of the movies

Once the Movie Companies send a letter to LL they shut those guyz down.

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yes, cos it sure does suck being able to stream youtube into sl.

You should probably keep an eye on the job listings. No doubt they keep an in-house legal staff. As you are clearly an expert in copyright law I'm sure they could use you on the team. You did specialize in Intellectual Property when you were in law school, didn't you?

To answer you question without sarcasm, We don't know if these stores have the rental rights or not. Netflix live streams movies, this is really no different. Maybe the owners of these movie places have the rental license and are perfectly legal. Maybe LL has looked into it, and been presented with the rental license, or maybe they are illegal streams, without talking to the owners of the shop, there is no way of knowing.

Thanks for answering it without being sarcastic. I know 3 of the 4 are definitely not legal, streaming the movies from ixhosting, bluehost, and hostgator with loops, redirects, and attempted source hiding because they do not wish to have the server shut down for illegal content. It use to be possible to shut them down temporarily by reporting them to the hosting provider, but now they use mysql databases holding all the links so even if the account does go down, they can start another and be back up and running within 12 hours.

Yes and no, I can also see that as trying to keep the media hidden from snoops who would try to access the stuff without paying. SL isn't that secure, you CAN snipe emails, http request, look at the parcel media all that stuff. You could also be right, and they may be illegal. As I said before, without contacting the owners directly, and asking for the rental permission that allows them to do this, you really don't know.

In world content theft is alot more important then somebody putting a movie in world for people to view. Plus the legal problems that could arise from this and all the people it could and probley would run off if not get SL shutdown. yeah lets not bring this up again.

Yeah, right.



Use some frickin' common sense.

Do you really believe there is any chance whatsoever that some SL schmuck negotiated terms with these studios and more?

20th
Universal
Icon Entertainment
Sony
Lions Gate Entertainment
Warner Bros.
New Line Cinema

Through what mechanism would all the major movie studios set up a deal with some SL schmuck to stream movies, an unlimited number of times, without DRM, for $2?

And what are the chances that such a schmuck wouldn't make a big deal of it, make a press release, get media attention, etc?

No, some SL schmuck did not outrun Apple, Netflix and Amazon. This is a clear copyright violation.

If you are really so concerned that someone is violating someone else's copyright, then by all means notify the copyright holder and let them take care of it. Blaming LL for it seems completely pointless. Blaming LL for it in the forums is even more pointless.

I don't blame LL for anything other than being oblivious. I object to people making excuses for thieves. Like let's pretend there's a possibility these "DVD" places are legitimate because they provide something we like.

The problem is: it's not LL's job to go after them it's the content owners.

Plus: There is no all seeing eye, this isn't mordor

After all, do you see LL going after stream owner's to be sure they have a broadcast license for thier music stream?

you don't need to contact
20th
Universal
Icon Entertainment
Sony
Lions Gate Entertainment
Warner Bros.
New Line Cinema.

you only need a legal middle man wholesale distributor just like a target or Walmart would use and be a legal reseller of them..
you buy in bulk the movies and the rights to resell them..
the wholesaler deals with the studios you deal with the wholesaler..

i'm not saying people are or are not doing it the right way in sl..

I'm just saying you don't have to contact the farmer to sell his corn in your grocery store or Warner Bros to rent out or sell their movies..

You seriously misunderstand how copyright law works, both in the United States (where LL is located), and internationally. LL has an explanation for you, in writing. Perhaps you should read it. They are not oblivious. They are well aware of their standing and liabilities. You are not.

Perhaps you have some other agenda, that you are not fully disclosing here?

Blame the DMCA.

To qualify for the "safe harbor" provision, which protects service providers from being included in a copyright infringement lawsuit, they can't "police" it themselves, because if they failed in their job of policing while making the attempt, they would lose that qualification.

That's what the law says.

As such, LL CANNOT "go after" alleged infringers (and, yes, even those "schmucks" COULD have permission to do so; you can't KNOW what deals they have, and shutting down a legitimate service would have legal ramifications that I can't blame LL for wanting to avoid if they can). The proper course of action is to bring it to the attention of the copyright holders, and let them file the proper legal paperwork to have a stop put to it. It HAS to be the owners of the content, or their designated agents. No one else can file legal paperwork on behalf of another entity.

So, don't bring it to RA, and don't blather at LL over it; their hands are tied. Go to the big studios and show them what is happening. It's their content, and they are the ones who have to do something about it.

There's no such thing. They aren't selling physical DVDs. They are hosting and streaming ripped DVDs.

Your proof?


Really, it is none of my business. If the studios want to pay me, then I might look into it. But the real question is, can the studios prove they have lost any thing? I really doubt they can. But the courts are bought and paid for, so the little guy will get screwed.

you're missing the point i guess..as long as they have the right to resale the movie they could make a billion copies and sell them a billion times as long as they have the right to and the movie companies get their per copy or bulk number agreed on cut..

if it didn't exist then legal movies on the internet wouldn't exist..they do exist on the internet and companies are selling them..it's a matter of getting permission or dealing with a distributor that gets the permission and you pay a fee to them on consignment or percentage of a monthly or whatever the stipulations are in the contract..that or deal direct..

it's nothing more than guessing that someone is selling them illegally

all i am trying to say is that it is not as hard as you make it sound to get a movie resale business going on the net..they do exist..

in SL i could not say because i have never used them but it sure is very possible to have a legal company in sl that does sell them..why would they be $2 dollars worth of lindens? because of the terrible quality drop..
i'm sure there are quite a few idiots out there thinking sl is a safe zone for piracy and sooner or later will get nabbed or get smart one of the two..

it just doesn't mean they all are..
you know and i know that it would take us forever and a day to know if they were all pirates..your guess is as good as mine..
if they are they need to be reported to the proper people that handle that kind of thing..

There is no distributor that can give you these permissions. It must be negotiated with the studios. Apple and Netflix have deals with the studios.

I find it a real stretch of the imagination to think there's even a possibility that some SL schmuck has done this, and beaten Apple and Netflix to the punch by a few years, and not gotten media attention for having done so.



I'm also guessing the sun will come up tomorrow and the sky will still be blue.

if you want something done you have to go to the studio's and let them know.

Going to LL means nothing gets done, because LL is not the one with the rights that have to be protected.

They can not act without the studios asking them to.

It comes down to this: It is the holder of the rights job to police and protect them. Nobody else has to try and be all knowing and all seeing. they do, it's the burden that holding said rights places on them in order to protect them.

But I also noticed you didn't say anything about audio tracks, just the videos.

There are very likely many DJs operating in sl with mostly downloaded tracks from file sharing sites. There are many with constant streams that are in violation of laws and rights, such as illegal broadcasting.

The thing is, it's not LL's job or responsibility to ensure every bit of content going through SL is legit and not pirated.

It's the responsibility of those owning the rights to look for infringement, nobody else is responsible.

Losing sleep, are we?

i don't think they are all smucks..i own one of these tv's that come loaded with movies and channels for tv and internet radio and even have music videos..they are sold in sl and i'm sure this company has permission
http://myslhome.tv/index.html

i'm not defending anyone that is doing wrong..i'm just saying it can be done..
honestly i agree that it's more than likely a lot of sneaky people..but there are real companies in sl as well..



And would still have a good chance of being wrong if you didn't find out what the weather was for tomorrow.. i've been in the rain for two days now and won't see sunlight till tuesday from the looks of it..send some this way lol

The only 3d VR you were ever allowed to stream YouTube into was Google Lively. Funny thing that, they actually promoted it...