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Vampaerus Wysznik
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06-23-2008 19:34
From: StarCat Munster
Hi,

I read this thread and really wasn't going to respond because I've been on the other end of those calls so my perspective is a bit skewed :^) But after some thought I felt perhaps it might help with the frustrations some SLers have experienced. (No I don't work for LLAbs but I've been a customer service rep for many years in multiple industries. I must like abuse lol)

FYI, these tips apply to any services which you may need to call/contact for any type of customer service such as utilities, ISP, TV, cable, cellular...not just Second Life.

1. There are several "teams" within any large service provider and not all teams have the same level of training, access or policies. Teams have scripts they MUST follow which use trigger words that tell the advisor what response is appropriate. 95% of the time the scripted solution is the correct one and a user's issue is quickly resolved. It's the other 5% where things can get mucked up but a knowledgable user can get moved to the next level of service if they know what trigger words to say and be persistent.

2. Many service providers have outsourced to 3rd party contractors in non-English countries such as India and the Philippines so there is a very definate language barrier to overcome. While they may speak/type excellent English they don't always understand idiomatic slang or colloquilisms that we use and this can create more confusion or delays. Be clear and consise when describing the problem and be prepared to repeat as many times as needed until you get the information you want or get to the team that can resolve the issue.

3. Never expect the same level of service on weekends/holidays as you would receive on standard M-F weekdays. Most of the higher level teams are not in site or not available on Sat and Sun even for services which advertise 24/7/365 support. Often there is a skeleton shift of the newest and least trained advisors "on call" so it's generally best to wait until Monday, if you can, to get experienced staff plus the advanced teams are usually available which means your request gets escalated that much faster.

4. Be polite, it costs nothing but can reap amazing benefits. I cannot stress how much smoother and faster things go when a user is polite. Customer Service reps are human beings too and are much more likely to respond to the obviously frustrated but polite user who is persistant. More important, the service rep may be moved to go beyond the defined limits of their team role and research your request to find out exactly which team handles that specific issue. Otherwise it's much easier to simply repeat the script as given and do nothing else. Safer for the advisor because they don't have to defend independant decsions to a team leader after the call ends. Some places will fire a rep for deviating by 1 word from the "allmighty" scripts.

Last tip...service providers can and will flag users' accounts for abusive conduct to advisors which means that every subsquent advisor will see that UserX is "abusive" and that will naturally make them less inclined to assist to the full or be empathetic to him/her. They may say they don't but they ALL do it and the user will never even know they've been flagged. They will still get the resolution in the end but it will take longer and they may have to jump through more hoops to get there...

HTH

StarCat
if you don't mind I'd like your permission to keep a copy of this on my hard drive so I can copy and paste it in the future (properly quoted of course). There's at least one forum regular who needs to hear this just about every month.

And just a tangent question for my own benefit: is there a way of asking what the keywords are the system recognizes? I tried essentially that once before when I was having a great deal of trouble getting my problem across cuz I didn't know the right terms. The CS person got very irate with me for asking :o is that a taboo? Is there a "proper" way of asking if there is a list of keywords to choose from?
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Ann Launay
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06-23-2008 19:39
From: StarCat Munster
Teams have scripts they MUST follow which use trigger words that tell the advisor what response is appropriate. 95% of the time the scripted solution is the correct one and a user's issue is quickly resolved.

LL's keywords must suck then, because I've NEVER gotten a relevant answer from an initial ticket submission...in some cases, they've borne absolutely no resemblance to what I asked.
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Sassy Romano
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06-23-2008 21:21
Starcat, I know all about those support issues you mention. The first support rep in my case was evasive, didn't answer the basic questions.

He said it couldn't be done via live chat. It could.
He didn't answer whether waiting longer would lessen the chances of recovery. Important to me.

Simple, had he said, "I'm sorry, I don't have the skills or tools available to me but if you call back tomorrow they'll fix it" that would have been fine. He didn't.

As for playing dances from inventory. Yeah could do but then it misses out on the ability to easily create a routine (or indeed many types of), can't invite others to sync dance...the list goes on.
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06-24-2008 00:25
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Kelli May
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06-24-2008 03:01
I've lost 2 chims in the last couple of months, both times (I think) under the same circumstances. These were old-school Chimera dance balls that attach to the body, not a HUD. Each time I'd used "Replace Outfit" to wear a new avatar from inventory, rather than changing a set of attachments piecemeal. Both chims, heavily stocked with SineWave & Abraminations dances, vanished without a trace. No amount of clearing cache, relogging, visiting the beta grid, searching or sacrificing black roosters to Legba brought them back.

OK, two occurrences is hardly evidence, but I'm going to see if I can replicate this error and find out when it happens before I buy any new dances.
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StarCat Munster
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06-24-2008 03:04
From: Vampaerus Wysznik
if you don't mind I'd like your permission to keep a copy of this on my hard drive so I can copy and paste it in the future (properly quoted of course). There's at least one forum regular who needs to hear this just about every month.

And just a tangent question for my own benefit: is there a way of asking what the keywords are the system recognizes? I tried essentially that once before when I was having a great deal of trouble getting my problem across cuz I didn't know the right terms. The CS person got very irate with me for asking :o is that a taboo? Is there a "proper" way of asking if there is a list of keywords to choose from?


Hi,

Feel free :) If it helps then it's all good.

Please bear in mind I have no clue how LLabs has their staff allocated so you'll need to use trial and error to get the info but you'd need to do that with any company :)

Companies are very secretive about the fact that customer service uses scripting in today's marketplace and they're not going to admit they have trigger words so asking won't get anywhere. In general the first rep you reach will be the least able to help in a complex situation because they have the least access and the most limitations. Describe your problem as clearly and as detailed as you can and then listen to the questions they ask YOU...these are called "probing questions" which the CS rep uses to determine what solution script to move to next.

Don't be afraid to request a supervisor or a more advanced level rep if you feel the CS rep just isn't "up" to handling your issue. Supervisor is one of the magic trigger words as is Complaint and Cancel which usually will get you moved instantly to a more experienced team or rep who is trained to handled complex issues and has more access. If there's none available at that time then ask WHEN they will abe available and get a direct extension if possible. As CS is mainly done through 3rd party call centers today it's not likely you will get a direct extension but some companies still have in house CS departments.

I know I keep saying it but persitence really does work. Called 2, 3, 4 times about the same issue? Keep calling and keep asking for a more advanced/higher team until you get to someone who understands your issue.

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06-24-2008 03:29
From: Sassy Romano
Starcat, I know all about those support issues you mention. The first support rep in my case was evasive, didn't answer the basic questions.

He said it couldn't be done via live chat. It could.
He didn't answer whether waiting longer would lessen the chances of recovery. Important to me.

Simple, had he said, "I'm sorry, I don't have the skills or tools available to me but if you call back tomorrow they'll fix it" that would have been fine. He didn't.

As for playing dances from inventory. Yeah could do but then it misses out on the ability to easily create a routine (or indeed many types of), can't invite others to sync dance...the list goes on.



Hi,

I absolutely agree and he should have said exactly that. If I was his TL I'd be having a long coaching session with him on exactly where and how that session went wrong and ended with the customer feeling even more unhappy and frustrated. If I was the customer I would be making a formal complaint about it so that someone higher up sees what happened and can make sure it doesn't happen to the next customer.

From the two logs what I saw was that the problem can be resolved but not by the team who actually handle LiveChat. They have to transfer to "the In World Team" which it's my guess wasn't available on Sunday plus it looks like the first advsor wasn't aware of the process so he fell back on the scripting which says "Live chat can't do such&such and you have to file a ticket". He couldn't give you a timeframe because he probably doesn't know the turnaround times for tickets or the teams who actually handled those.

Does any of this excuse piss poor service? No, but it's something that can be easily fixed by any company through ensuring that all frontline CS reps have the same access to up to date process and policy information so there is consistency and speed in response to customers issues.

FWIW...these are some of the reasons I have quit after 10 yrs as a CS and am making a radical career change :^) It's never been the users/customers who cause the most stress and headaches..it's the office head games, manangment blindness and the heroin like addiction to scripts for everything which leave almost no potential for a rep to actually HELP anyone with anything not covered in the "process documentation".

StarCat
Alexia Cournoyer
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06-24-2008 12:36
From: Kelli May
I've lost 2 chims in the last couple of months, both times (I think) under the same circumstances. These were old-school Chimera dance balls that attach to the body, not a HUD. Each time I'd used "Replace Outfit" to wear a new avatar from inventory, rather than changing a set of attachments piecemeal. Both chims, heavily stocked with SineWave & Abraminations dances, vanished without a trace. No amount of clearing cache, relogging, visiting the beta grid, searching or sacrificing black roosters to Legba brought them back.

OK, two occurrences is hardly evidence, but I'm going to see if I can replicate this error and find out when it happens before I buy any new dances.



you may have already seen this.. http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6110

and if you search under 'hud lost when replaced' you'll see a lot more of them that haven't been linked to this one.

LL are well aware of this problem and have been for months. it's assigned to 'workingonit linden' which i'm beginning to suspect is an alias for their 'perhaps one day we'll get around to fixing this' list. All i can suggest you do is log into the jira, vote on it and set up the watch for an outcome. (don't hold your breath though, you'll go blue :) )

hope this helps.. if nothing else you know you're not alone.
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