Object Deed to Group to Split Sales
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Mia Porta
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Join date: 28 May 2008
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09-11-2008 14:25
Hoping someone may have the answer here, I've been all over the knowledge base and Wiki but can't seem to figure this out.
I am selling some objects and would like to split the sales with my group, equally.
I figured the easiest way would be to place the object for sale, and deed to the group, in the edit window. However, after setting the object for sale, once I select Deed, the object suddenly changes to not for sale and the lindens revert back to the 10L default.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Ruthven Willenov
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Join date: 16 Jan 2008
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09-11-2008 14:34
From: Mia Porta Hoping someone may have the answer here, I've been all over the knowledge base and Wiki but can't seem to figure this out.
I am selling some objects and would like to split the sales with my group, equally.
I figured the easiest way would be to place the object for sale, and deed to the group, in the edit window. However, after setting the object for sale, once I select Deed, the object suddenly changes to not for sale and the lindens revert back to the 10L default.
Any help would be greatly appreciated! i'm sure you've tried setting the price again after deeding it? deeding objects acts as changing owners, even if the owner of the group is the one deeding. thus you cannot deed no transfer items either. when a customer buys a copy of something, the new copy is reverted back to not for sale as well
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Kitty Barnett
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09-11-2008 14:35
You're really much better off using a split profit vendor than trying to twist group deeding into doing what you're wanting it to do.
First of all you'll need to deed it to the group as full permission (C/T at the very least) because you can't sell copies of it otherwise. Then you'll need to change next owner permissions back to what they were.
Second you won't have any transaction history so you don't know who bought what - if anything at all - and if there's an issue of refunds, lost deliveries or replacing items you'll have no way to verify any of it.
You also have no control over how the split happens, it'll always split evenly and if you ever invite someone else into the group (or promote someone into a certain role) without paying much attention they'll get a cut all of a sudden.
Group-deeded items really weren't intended to act as split profit vendors and I'd really not recommend using them that way.
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As for your specific problem: if the next owner permissions are C/NT then you wouldn't be able to set it for sale since no transfer items can never be sold. You'd need to set next owner permissions to Copy and Transfer and then reduce them back after deeding before setting it for sale.
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Mia Porta
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09-11-2008 16:41
Thank you! I tested an object with full permissions, and even still it reverted to not for sale at 10L and would not allow me to make the change. I will look for a split profit vender instead. Any suggestions? I am new to this 
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Kitty Barnett
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09-11-2008 16:54
From: Mia Porta Any suggestions? I am new to this  Previous suggestion thread: /327/56/242157/1.htmlIf you want to play with freebie scripts: /54/1c/229766/1.html/54/dc/243616/1.htmlYou can look at the suggestions offered in the first thread and pick up the information notecard in-world and come back and start a new thread asking for suggestion for any other split-profit vendors specifically (unless people come along and start giving suggestions in this one) and/or look at how each one differs and ask if anyone has personal experience with one or another  . You might also want to make a list (and post it) about which kind of vendor you're looking for: an actual fullsize vendor selling multiple products, or just keep the prims you have now but add a split profit script to it (very easy and you should just be able to get a decent freebie script to accomplish that), or whatever else you might need.
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Qie Niangao
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09-11-2008 17:32
Yes, I strongly recommend that open source scripts be used for splitting vendors, so you or somebody you trust can see *exactly* under what conditions the thing is going to llGiveMoney().
Some people trust the "big name" vendor-makers, but the way I look at it, Ginko was a big name once, too. Yes, I'm paranoid, but when it's my L$ balance at stake, I prefer to see inside. (An alternative is to have anything with debit permissions owned by a relatively impoverished alt, or the opposite: to use an alt as one's "personal banker" and keep the main's L$ balance low. I'm not thrilled by either of these, but especially the latter is risky if the main ever has to hold any significant amount of L$s.)
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Fred Kenorland
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Group deed sales
09-15-2008 05:31
Hi Mia, I had exactly this problem.
Quite simply, I wanted to deed objects to group, expecting the proceeds to be split. I still think that this feature should be available, as it would save a lot of time, and more importantly provide a more robust sales system.
One issue for me is that I wanted both partners to be notified of a sale. It helps to feel involvement in the business and it's nice to get that little popup when you sell something. SL isn't very helpful to collabaration, which is such a shame for a community based environment.
I ordered a custom script to deal with this. It sends an IM to both parties while leaving me with my transaction history.
HOWEVER, about one in twenty items goes undelivered which is an administrative nightmare. I spoend about 20 minutes each morning delivering and checking failed deliveries. My other shop with straightforward object for sale never fails.
If you want a copy of the profit splitter script with Sales IMs to partners, please IM me inworld and I'll put you in touch with the scripter.
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Qie Niangao
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09-15-2008 06:31
From: Fred Kenorland One issue for me is that I wanted both partners to be notified of a sale. It helps to feel involvement in the business and it's nice to get that little popup when you sell something. This is interesting. Wouldn't the partners get the popup anyway, whenever a splitting script calls llGiveMoney() in an amount above whatever L$ threshold they've set for balance notifications? Or maybe that notification lacks some information supplied by the scripted IM? From: someone HOWEVER, about one in twenty items goes undelivered which is an administrative nightmare. I spoend about 20 minutes each morning delivering and checking failed deliveries. My other shop with straightforward object for sale never fails. That failure rate seems *very* high. I don't know whether to suspect a subtle bug in the script, or a lagging sim, or SL going to hell in a handbasket. But it prompts me to wonder: It would be possible (if just a little bit tricky) to write a script that pays partner(s) some fixed amount(s) every time a copy of the scripted object is sold. (Caveat: With delivery failure rates as high as cited, it may be that this kind of split script would suffer similar failure rates, depending on why the heck the failures are so terribly frequent anyway). It could also IM the split-recipient with some info (*not* including the identity of the buyer, unfortunately). I'm wondering if such a script would have any utility.
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Fred Kenorland
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profit splitter
09-15-2008 08:20
The sim isn't laggy, but there is a club there which is busyish about 3 hours a night. I trust the scripter implicitly not to make script errors. Usually the script doesn't get to run - payment is accepted but not distributed to partners. This happens regularly on one particular sim where I have a place in a busy mall. What I can't rule out is the scammers. My items are transferrable, and I suspect that some of the reported transaction delivery failures are just looking for a second copy for their friends.
Maybe one in twenty is too high, maybe its one in thirty. Seems to have improved a little recently.
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Ruthven Willenov
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09-21-2008 19:53
From: Fred Kenorland What I can't rule out is the scammers. My items are transferrable, and I suspect that some of the reported transaction delivery failures are just looking for a second copy for their friends.
Maybe one in twenty is too high, maybe its one in thirty. Seems to have improved a little recently.
have you ever tried any receipt systems? here's link to an open source script.  but here's a simple script i cooked up for that purpose From: someone key creator; default { state_entry() { creator = llGetOwner(); } changed(integer change) { if (change & CHANGED_OWNER) { llOwnerSay("Thank you for your purchase. I will now notify " + llKey2Name(creator) + " about your receipt of this item and then remove the receipt script from my inventory"  ; llInstantMessage(creator, "At " + llGetTimestamp() + " " + llKey2Name(llGetOwner()) + " rezzed " + llGetObjectName()); llRemoveInventory(llGetScriptName()); } } } just drop that into the product packaging and it should be fine. (make the package no copy if the item isn't to avoid getting notified more than once)
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Gabriele Graves
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09-21-2008 21:14
I am a scripter, I would be happy to modify one of my one prim multi item vendor scripts to do a split. If the OP contacts me via IM, PM here or at [email]gabriele.graves@gmail.com[/email] I will be happy to work something out.
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