Does verification actually work?

This is a slightly different question from those asked in other threads.

I hear a number of cases of people verifying successfully with totally false information. I'm beginning to suspect that Integrity do not have access to half the data they claim to. Suppose they are simply approving every request, knowing that 99% will be real data, and quietly storing all the information received to MAKE a database?

I know that we're told this isn't happening, but then if this is the scheme, they are hardly going to own up to it.

Let me see... underage child who knows where Daddy keeps his wallet.. grabs CC, and a few other bits of paperwork... carefully enters those onto a website and presses enter.....................

And people expect what to happen next? Some eye retina scanner pops out of the screen, follwed by a genital scanner, swabs a DNA sample etc etc ???

Well, in answer to the question, I'll just refer you to this post - /327/fc/207175/17.html#post1657236

to summarise -

i) for some countries the only information they can have to verify against is no more than the information LL already request in order for you to sign up as a payment verified account

ii) the forms of verfication being requested are designed for verifying the id of someone physically present, and are no use whatsoever in verifying anything beyond existence online.

Matthew

Drat! That totally destroys my plan to sell them all those official records from Barbados.

I would be interested to know whether LL pay Aristotle Integrity for this service, or whether Integrity pays LL for the service.

However, if what you say is really happening - that Integrity is verifying against false information, then there is a really big problem. The problem, of course, is not really that Integrity might be data-mining (atho 99 per cent accurate data is quite a good haul), the problem is really that the essential service that Integrity provides appears to me to be an insurance product - i.e. third party indemnification against claims to do with (under age) minors gaining access. If it turns out that the system is seen not to work, then presumably the indemnification becomes invalid.

I would strongly suggest that people do not put in incorrect information, people should just choose to verify or not (it is optional after all).

I know that they are not 'verifying' everyone. Originally I couldn't get verified because they had some glitch in dealing with Canadian info. By the end of the day the system was updated and then they were able to verify me. On the other hand, I have read in other posts, in other threads, that some people have been verified with incomplete information or false information.

If I had to be cynical and suspicious, I'd say that they are verifying what they can, when they can, and probably using some kind of sophisticated electronic guesswork when they have nothing to compare to. And that they are probably taking all the information given and tabulating it somewhere.

It's all still in Beta, remember. For all we know, at the end of the beta test, they might announce that they've scrapped the verifications from our accounts and we have to verify again *for real* this time.

Edited to add: Personally I would not put in false information. If I was reluctant to use my real information, then I'd not verify at all. It is a violation of the TOS to provide false info to LL and while they may not keep or store the verification info, if they decide to compare it against what they already have on file before deleting it, they could decide to cause trouble or raise questions. I've only got the one island but it and my account in general are too valuable to me to risk by playing games with LL. Your mileage of course, may vary.

-Atashi

Yes, I'm sure who I am now!

Lie to computers and bureaucrats whenever possible. They rarely want your information in order to benefit you.

(That might be a paraphrase of Heinlein, but I can't find it)

Well I have moved since I originally signed up for SL so the information LL has on me is incorrect. Since there is no way to update this I assume I will not be able to verify. The only way to fix this will be to create a new account (with the loss of all my Non-Tran items). I would expect there are a lot of other people who will have a similar problem. If wwe are all forced to create new accounts, LL will look at the numbers and say "See.. all these new people signed up when we introduced Verification."

just if u use false info, don`t forget to update ur sl info once verification passes just to be "safe"

So would I, because if it's Integrity paying LL and they are asking for information that they can't currently verify then hey, this ID company have a whole load of extra information that their rivals can't access, putting them in a very strong position in their field.

Well, from all records I can find on Aristotle Integrity, such as fromt eh BBB and other online buisness records, I trust them about as much as I trust a lion that hasn't been fed in a week. (Translation for LL management: "Not at all."

So since this is supposed to be about "trust", I think LL's plan is already flushed.

~Jessy

There are also many that won't put their SIN or equivalent to verify. I sure won't. It opens the door for identy theft and all that, no matter how "secure" the 3rd party site is.

Like others said, there's no way they can keep minors off the grid completely short of closing SL. It would be nice if the minors followed the rules, but we know that won't happen or only a small percentage will.

LL makes it quite clear that they won't receive the information you're providing Aristotle and none of us have an agreement with Aristotle that would keep us from typing in whatever you feel like, unless the verification page has a "I agree to blah blah" section on it.

I believe they make it clear that they don't store the information, but they most assuredly receive it. They then retransmit it off to Integrity/Aristotle for verification.

When you click the submit button on the verification form, the form data is submitted to a Linden Lab webserver, not to an Integrity or Aristotle webserver. While I was unable to verify, I looked at the source code of the verification page to see what was happening behind-the-scenes.

-Atashi

Well, after a couple of attempts to spoil their data harvesting with bad data, i tried registering with *genuine* data. It rejected that too. Aristotle obviously likes me about as much as I like them (ie zero).

Several possibilities:

- They choked on my multi-barrel ultra-punctuated non-standard capitalisation name.
- I have successfully fallen under the digital radar and they have no trace of me.
- They flagged all my attempts as automatically false after my first attemtps to lie to them.
- They don't have the data.
- I am the one(tm).

Did you take the red pill?

I took all the pills.

I thought it was a bowl of candy.



-Atashi