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Request for clemency

Oscar Wylder
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09-10-2009 09:34
I know this is not a Secondlife subject,however I would like to ask all the good folks on thie forum ( open to British citizens/residents only ( unfortunatly )) to spend a few seconds signing this petition for an apollogy to Alan Turing.












Thanks for your time.
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Qie Niangao
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09-10-2009 09:39
The img tag trick only works with "?" in the URL, a la:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_turing

and for anyone who can't see those, the unadorned URLs:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_turing
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Marin Mielziner
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09-10-2009 09:42
Why only British residents? I understand that as an American I cannot sign a petition to present to Parliament, but I can still offer words of support here.

Yes the British government should offer a posthumous apology to Alan Turing for prosecuting him as a homosexual.
Vance Adder
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09-10-2009 09:48
The links work for me without ?

...and that Alan Turing was a stand up guy! *hugs his computer*
Qie Niangao
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09-10-2009 09:51
From: Vance Adder
The links work for me without ?
Oh, interesting. Thanks! They used to do that for me, too, and then stopped--I attributed it to a change in the Forums software, but probably it's really due to some Firefox upgrade I did to myself. Thanks again.
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Oscar Wylder
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09-10-2009 09:51
Qie the links work for me,I did'nt know how else to do it.
Marin I know anyone should be able to petition any government .. it sucks.
Vance I had'nt realised an SL connection.
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Meade Paravane
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09-10-2009 09:53
From: Qie Niangao
Oh, interesting. Thanks! They used to do that for me, too, and then stopped--I attributed it to a change in the Forums software, but probably it's really due to some Firefox upgrade I did to myself. Thanks again.

They still don't work for me without a ? in there somewhere.

Also, I notice you can do <3 now without getting yelled at by the forums.
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Oscar Wylder
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09-10-2009 09:56
From: Meade Paravane
They still don't work for me without a ? in there somewhere.

Also, I notice you can do <3 now without getting yelled at by the forums.



This can only lead to a better RL/SL :)
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Vance Adder
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09-10-2009 10:01
From: Qie Niangao
Oh, interesting. Thanks! They used to do that for me, too, and then stopped--I attributed it to a change in the Forums software, but probably it's really due to some Firefox upgrade I did to myself. Thanks again.


Fwiw, I'm using Internet Explorer 7.0 at work to view it.
Argent Stonecutter
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09-10-2009 10:03
From: Oscar Wylder
Qie the links work for me,I did'nt know how else to do it.
The links only work if you are using the extension someone came up to "fix" the forums. I don't use it because I'd rather parse [][][] myself than post stuff that puts [][][] in front of people who aren't using it.
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Oscar Wylder
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09-10-2009 10:16
Sorry for the double post . One day I will understand how things work
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Oscar Wylder
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09-10-2009 10:18
From: Argent Stonecutter
The links only work if you are using the extension someone came up to "fix" the forums. I don't use it because I'd rather parse [][][] myself than post stuff that puts [][][] in front of people who aren't using it.



Thanks for the heads up Argent . nice one.

Marin,I found this link for an international petition,over 10k sigs and every little helps as they say.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/worldturingpetition/signatures.html




with and without ?

Cheers,Oscar.
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Desmond Shang
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09-10-2009 10:54
I would sign but I am a citizen of the former colonies :)

Perhaps it would be more appropriate if the UK gov. petitioned for forgiveness instead, without having to be reminded... just my thoughts on it.
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09-10-2009 11:11
Are any of the people who were responsible for persecuting the man still alive?
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09-10-2009 12:02
From: Argent Stonecutter
Are any of the people who were responsible for persecuting the man still alive?


I'll bring beer to the witch hunt. ^_^
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09-10-2009 12:10
The point is, what's the point of an apology by a bunch of people who weren't involved?
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Oscar Wylder
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09-10-2009 14:42
Desmond : It would indeed be a great gesture if the UK government could have done this out of hand.

I don't know who is still living and neither want to point fingers at individuals,which I feel is a moot point as a nations rulers at the time were responsible .. agreed I know at the time "The law was the law" but you can never sure yuour within it in th UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7081038.stm




No witch hunt but beer (or vodka ) would be cool :)
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-10-2009 14:56
Queen Elizabeth, then? I could see that.
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Oscar Wylder
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09-10-2009 15:25
Yeah .. I guess your right Argent .. but I don't think she made the rules .

/me awaits a knock at the door :)
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09-10-2009 16:24
http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page20571#
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Tiffy Vella
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09-10-2009 16:54
What an interesting man....This is the first I've heard of him and his work. Glad the apology came through..although a little late to benefit him :(
Oscar Wylder
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09-10-2009 17:22
Nice one.
It's great to see what people united can achive.
RIP Alan Turing.
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Incanus Merlin
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09-10-2009 17:54
I'd already signed up to this - nice to see the fulsome apology from No.10. If only it hadn't been needed in the first place.

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09-10-2009 21:25


Wow! That's really great to see that. I guess people's voices are heard.

When I see this sort of thing, I see a light of hope for humanity.
Lord Sullivan
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09-11-2009 02:59
The UK government got my respect for this one :)

From: someone
Thank you for signing this petition. The Prime Minister has written a
response. Please read below.

Prime Minister: 2009 has been a year of deep reflection – a chance for
Britain, as a nation, to commemorate the profound debts we owe to those who
came before. A unique combination of anniversaries and events have stirred
in us that sense of pride and gratitude which characterise the British
experience. Earlier this year I stood with Presidents Sarkozy and Obama to
honour the service and the sacrifice of the heroes who stormed the beaches
of Normandy 65 years ago. And just last week, we marked the 70 years which
have passed since the British government declared its willingness to take
up arms against Fascism and declared the outbreak of World War Two. So I am
both pleased and proud that, thanks to a coalition of computer scientists,
historians and LGBT activists, we have this year a chance to mark and
celebrate another contribution to Britain’s fight against the darkness of
dictatorship; that of code-breaker Alan Turing.

Turing was a quite brilliant mathematician, most famous for his work on
breaking the German Enigma codes. It is no exaggeration to say that,
without his outstanding contribution, the history of World War Two could
well have been very different. He truly was one of those individuals we can
point to whose unique contribution helped to turn the tide of war. The debt
of gratitude he is owed makes it all the more horrifying, therefore, that
he was treated so inhumanely. In 1952, he was convicted of ‘gross
indecency’ – in effect, tried for being gay. His sentence – and he
was faced with the miserable choice of this or prison - was chemical
castration by a series of injections of female hormones. He took his own
life just two years later.

Thousands of people have come together to demand justice for Alan Turing
and recognition of the appalling way he was treated. While Turing was dealt
with under the law of the time and we can't put the clock back, his
treatment was of course utterly unfair and I am pleased to have the chance
to say how deeply sorry I and we all are for what happened to him. Alan and
the many thousands of other gay men who were convicted as he was convicted
under homophobic laws were treated terribly. Over the years millions more
lived in fear of conviction.

I am proud that those days are gone and that in the last 12 years this
government has done so much to make life fairer and more equal for our LGBT
community. This recognition of Alan’s status as one of Britain’s most
famous victims of homophobia is another step towards equality and long
overdue.

But even more than that, Alan deserves recognition for his contribution to
humankind. For those of us born after 1945, into a Europe which is united,
democratic and at peace, it is hard to imagine that our continent was once
the theatre of mankind’s darkest hour. It is difficult to believe that in
living memory, people could become so consumed by hate – by
anti-Semitism, by homophobia, by xenophobia and other murderous prejudices
– that the gas chambers and crematoria became a piece of the European
landscape as surely as the galleries and universities and concert halls
which had marked out the European civilisation for hundreds of years. It is
thanks to men and women who were totally committed to fighting fascism,
people like Alan Turing, that the horrors of the Holocaust and of total war
are part of Europe’s history and not Europe’s present.

So on behalf of the British government, and all those who live freely
thanks to Alan’s work I am very proud to say: we’re sorry, you deserved
so much better.

Gordon Brown

If you would like to help preserve Alan Turing's memory for future
generations, please donate here: http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/

Petition information - http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing/
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