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How many alts should you be able to link to a Premium account

How many alts should be able to be linked to a Premium to use Premium privledges

No alts
1 (3.0%)

1 alt
3 (9.1%)

2 alts
2 (6.1%)

4 alts
11 (33.3%)

9 alts
1 (3.0%)

19 alts
0 (0.0%)

49 alts
0 (0.0%)

99 alts
1 (3.0%)

499 alts
1 (3.0%)

No limit
13 (39.4%)

Total votes: 33
Tegg Bode
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11-07-2009 13:58
Assuming Premium accounts had some abilities that free accounts didn't and you could share these abilities like "Payment Info On File" (PIOF) and Age verification to registered alts of your premium account how many would you think it should be limited to?

Bearing in mind unlimited would allow people to run an infinate number of bots and that you could delete disused alts to create new alts.

The current limit to one email address appears to be 4 alt accounts.

And for this assume everyone was still free to create free accounts unlinked to Premiums and the option of not having a Premium at all too.
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11-07-2009 14:02
Not like the question as phrased shows bias or anything?

Leave things as they are - so that new citizens who perhaps do not have payment method, cannot get one, yet need the escape and creative release of Second Life, can have the same rights as those more fortunate in those regards.

Down with fascism. :P

(said half in jest, I realise this is entertainment and thus, elective.)
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11-07-2009 14:03
What would linking an alt to a main account do other than give the alt a level of accountability? Why should the main account be a premium account as opposed to PIOF?

Residents should be able to link as many alts to a main account as they want.
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Tegg Bode
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11-07-2009 14:04
From: Melita Magic
Not like the question as phrased shows bias or anything?

Leave things as they are - why should new citizens who perhaps do not have payment method, cannot get one, yet need the escape and creative release of Second Life, can have the same rights as those more fortunate in those regards.

Down with fascism. :P

(said half in jest, I realise this is entertainment and thus, elective.)


I didn't think I was biased did I neglect any options?
I am just curious to see how many alts is enough.
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11-07-2009 14:04
How about the question "SHOULD alts be required to link to a verified account at all" be added, for fairness' sake?
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11-07-2009 14:06
From: Tegg Bode
I didn't think I was biased did I neglect any options?


Yes Tegg, adding this editorial bit makes the question appear biased. You also did not allow the option of "alts should not be required to verify/link at all."

From: Tegg Bode
bearing in mind unlimited would allow people to run an infinate number of bots and that you could always delete disused alts to create new alts.


From: Tegg Bode

I am just curious to see how many alts is enough.


That will differ for everyone, therefore it should not be superimposed.
Tegg Bode
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11-07-2009 14:08
From: Milla Janick
What would linking an alt to a main account do other than give the alt a level of accountability? Why should the main account be a premium account as opposed to PIOF?

Residents should be able to link as many alts to a main account as they want.


Well I am suggesting things like PIOF and Age verification maybe even $L balance account access would all only have to be done once for the main account.
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Tegg Bode
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11-07-2009 14:13
From: Melita Magic
Yes Tegg, adding this editorial bit makes the question appear biased. You also did not allow the option of "alts should not be required to verify/link at all."
That will differ for everyone, therefore it should not be superimposed.

Well, I didn't say allowing people to run a few hundred bots with full premium priveldges was always a bad thing and I did provide an option for no limit.
If I had wanted to do a poll on whether you should be able to link alts to a main it would have only needed a yes and no option.
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11-07-2009 14:15
From: Tegg Bode
Well, I didn't say allowing people to run a few hundred bots with full premium priveldges was always a bad thing and I did provide an option for no limit.
If I had wanted to do a poll on whether you should be able to link alts to a main it would have only needed a yes and no option.


Your poll was not up yet when I posted that, Tegg.

Still, your bias shows (as does mine, I'm not trying to say otherwise.) Not everyone who has alts wants a few hundred! And those who do have a few hundred (maybe .1 percent of the SL population?) will not register them anyway.
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11-07-2009 14:20
From: Tegg Bode
Well I am suggesting things like PIOF and Age verification maybe even $L balance account access would all only have to be done once for the main account.

That's the way it should be.

I see no compelling reason for a limit. Infinite bots is a red herring, as people can do that anyway without linking to a main account.

What is the benefit?
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Tegg Bode
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11-07-2009 14:21
From: Melita Magic
Your poll was not up yet when I posted that, Tegg.

Still, your bias shows (as does mine, I'm not trying to say otherwise.) Not everyone who has alts wants a few hundred! And those who do have a few hundred (maybe .1 percent of the SL population?) will not register them anyway.

Sure I'm a little biased, I just didn't want people to forget the absolute freedom like options do also allow absolute freedom to game any perks in a way they really aren't meant to be used. Any change like this would be intended on making normal average users lives easier rather than a massive perk for those gaming the system. But what is a normal average user? What do the other 99.9% desire?

It just means massbotters would have to "age verify" and "payment info on file" all their bots in smaller batches if they desired to do so. More work for the poor souls.
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11-07-2009 14:31
Tegg this reminds me of being told in govt. class in school - yes we have crime in America but we also have freedom. You can punish/jail/impede the freedom of some where appropriate, and let the rest be happy or you can punish/jail/impede the freedom of all and be happy with the numbers, while everyone is miserable.

Democracy vs. totalitarianism.
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11-07-2009 14:41
From: Melita Magic
Tegg this reminds me of being told in govt. class in school - yes we have crime in America but we also have freedom. You can punish/jail/impede the freedom of some where appropriate, and let the rest be happy or you can punish/jail/impede the freedom of all and be happy with the numbers, while everyone is miserable.

Democracy vs. totalitarianism.

:rolleyes:

Let's keep some perspective here.
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Ciaran Laval
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11-07-2009 14:41
People should only have 4 alts, if you want more, pay for another set of five. However as people do have more than 4 alts, I'd be in favour of an amnesty to get them all linked, so I voted no limit.

I put in a support ticket to get two of my alts account verified, so they can go to adult land whilst being NPIOF.

I'd prefer one master account, linked to my alts, so they should all be PIOF and Age verified and they can all spend from the same payment details if I choose to buy land or items.
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11-07-2009 14:42
From: Melita Magic
Tegg this reminds me of being told in govt. class in school - yes we have crime in America but we also have freedom. You can punish/jail/impede the freedom of some where appropriate, and let the rest be happy or you can punish/jail/impede the freedom of all and be happy with the numbers, while everyone is miserable.

Democracy vs. totalitarianism.

Or you can just let any kid in class do whatever they want no matter how much it disrupts others who want to learn, you can let people drive as fast as they like whilst drinking and everyone is happy in annarchy fairyland :)

Annarchy vs Democracy :)
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11-07-2009 14:44
From: Melita Magic
How about the question "SHOULD alts be required to link to a verified account at all" be added, for fairness' sake?

This. Why does it need to be an exclusive feature for Premiums?

Am I the only one who's getting a bit tired of the rash of elitism that's reared its ugly head lately?
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11-07-2009 14:46
From: Ciaran Laval
People should only have 4 alts, if you want more, pay for another set of five. However as people do have more than 4 alts, I'd be in favour of an amnesty to get them all linked, so I voted no limit.

I put in a support ticket to get two of my alts account verified, so they can go to adult land whilst being NPIOF.

I'd prefer one master account, linked to my alts, so they should all be PIOF and Age verified and they can all spend from the same payment details if I choose to buy land or items.


Even let them share inventory. The alts should all have the same status as the Main. If it is premium, the alts should be premium.

Setting a number like you suugest is a good idea. Give everyone 4 alts to start. Maybe 5 more for Premium, then charge for sets of 5. I'd also allow these fees to be paid from an inworld balance for those who maybe "live" of an SL income and don't provide an external payment source.
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11-07-2009 14:48
From: Katheryne Helendale
This. Why does it need to be an exclusive feature for Premiums?

Am I the only one who's getting a bit tired of the rash of elitism that's reared its ugly head lately?


It shouldn't be. But I think allowing a premium a larger number isn't a bad idea.

I have to admit I'm getting tired of the rash of using the word elitism that has reared it's ugly head.
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11-07-2009 14:51
From: Katheryne Helendale
Am I the only one who's getting a bit tired of the rash of elitism that's reared its ugly head lately?


No.

I'm so tired of it it's a wonder my av doesn't resemble the Crypt Keeper.
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11-07-2009 14:59
This poll is invalid anyway. There is no option for 42. The correct answer is always 42.
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11-07-2009 15:00
From: Katheryne Helendale
This. Why does it need to be an exclusive feature for Premiums?

Am I the only one who's getting a bit tired of the rash of elitism that's reared its ugly head lately?

Maybe this is what happened in RL society when people got sick of allowing anyone to do anything they liked because there were no rules on how fast you can drive or how big a gun you can carry to the beach, how many false identities you can have or how many other peoples lives you can ruin for your own gain.

Why should there be "no premium account only" features for premiums?

Maybe there should only be one type of SL account? The unaccountable disposable alt?

I don't know what's with the rash of "cheapskatism" and "Gimme everything for nothing" that seems to have infested SL over the last 3 years.
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11-07-2009 15:04
From: Tegg Bode
Why should there be "no premium account only" features for premiums?


Buying mainland, stipend, support, are all premium account only features.

From: Tegg Bode
Maybe there should only be one type of SL account? The unaccountable disposable alt?

I don't know what's with the rash of "cheapskatism" and "Gimme everything for nothing" that seems to have infested SL over the last 3 years.


That's not the point people are making in these debates, plenty of people who are not premium spend plenty of money in SL.
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11-07-2009 15:10
From: Tegg Bode
Maybe this is what happened in RL society when people got sick of allowing anyone to do anything they liked because there were no rules on how fast you can drive or how big a gun you can carry to the beach or how many other peoples lives you can ruin for your own gain.

Why should there be "no premium account only" features for premiums?

Maybe there should only be one type of SL account? The unaccountable disposable alt?

I don't know what's with the rash of "cheapskatism" and "Gimme everything for nothing" that seems to have infested SL over the last 3 years.
I am not against Premium accounts having extra privileges - unless those privileges are borne on the backs of Basics. When you take things away from non-paying members just so paying members can feel they're getting their money's worth, then all you are really doing is creating classes of "haves" and "have-nots" - and that will be enough to kill the experience for everybody.

It's really simple: If you don't feel you're getting your money's worth as a Premium, then quit paying it! If you *do* feel you are getting your money's worth, then quit complaining. Stop trying to leverage more power and privileges off the backs of the Basics.
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11-07-2009 15:11
From: Tegg Bode
Maybe this is what happened in RL society when people got sick of allowing anyone to do anything they liked because there were no rules on how fast you can drive or how big a gun you can carry to the beach or how many other peoples lives you can ruin for your own gain.


Huh?

Even going back to 'cave man' days, tribes had leaders. I can't actually think of a single society that's practised anarchy. So then you ARE saying we currently have anarchy in SL? But clearly we do not. There are rules and a system in place already.

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I don't know what's with the rash of "cheapskatism" and "Gimme everything for nothing" that seems to have infested SL over the last 3 years.


Wish you'd keep to one point of debate. Now people have alts because they are cheap? That's been debated before too. A lot of alts work in SL or make things to sell, or are paid by their mains.
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11-07-2009 15:26
From: Katheryne Helendale
I am not against Premium accounts having extra privileges - unless those privileges are borne on the backs of Basics. When you take things away from non-paying members just so paying members can feel they're getting their money's worth, then all you are really doing is creating classes of "haves" and "have-nots" - and that will be enough to kill the experience for everybody.

It's really simple: If you don't feel you're getting your money's worth as a Premium, then quit paying it! If you *do* feel you are getting your money's worth, then quit complaining. Stop trying to leverage more power and privileges off the backs of the Basics.

Since when is adding the feature sharing of Age Verification and PIOF on file between a main and your alts taking something off the back of basic accounts?
The experience is being killed for everybody already, even the "haves" are feeling the effects of the freedom of rights of anonyminity for the immoral.
The average resident who do make up most of the population are here to socialise and just buy stuff, they aren't going to start leaving SL in droves because we start verifying business owners in SL.
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