What kind of scumbuckets try to make a profit from charity?
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Tegg Bode
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05-06-2008 00:44
It's pretty rich in mmy view to only donate 5% of sales on products that can be reproduced an infinate number of times for basicaly free. And 5% of 100L is not worth the processing costs to extract to RL anyway.
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Cinders Vale
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05-06-2008 01:12
When I wanted to set up a stall at First Life Aid(the stall area has been shut down and we now have a section of the new poster wall) for ACS(American Cancer Society) and RFL(Relay for Life) I followed FLA guidelines.
I had to have official verification from ACS that it is a valid charity and they(ACS) had to supply documentation that I was approved by them to set up a stall promoting both organizations. Everyone had to post the official websites in a notecard giver sign for their particular charity at FLA.
Non Profit Commons was just getting set up about then. I'd think someone over there could also advise anyone how to prove their charity is legit and how to transfer donations to the charity.
Or you could contact the official charity and see if they would be interested in coming in-world.
There are several avenues that can be taken to support your favorite charity and answer your questions about how to go about it.
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Conan Godwin
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05-06-2008 02:53
From: Colette Meiji You are assuming that people who make large six figure incomes are actually that much more competent at organization.
Pretty big assumption since there is a large amount of evidence to the contrary. Provide this evidence. Also, provide evidence that a volunteer would be more competent. You certainly don't get skilled, experienced, competent people by not paying them well.
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Conan Godwin
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05-06-2008 02:57
From: Cheyenne Marquez I miss the point?
Are you saying there are no people in the world, or in any particular nation, possessing the requisite knowledge and experience who have the necessary compassion and generosity to volunteer their services to these charities?
Do you realize that it is exactly these types of people who should have not only the time, but the money and resources to fill these positions. They don't need the money. In many cases, they are retired CEO's or the equivalents who could never spend the fortune they and their families have amassed through the ages. If they can't do it full-time, they can certainly have the positions staffed by an employee. Employees need to be paid. This airy-fairy world you live in where everyone is nice and does nice things because they are nice sounds.....nice. However, here in the real world people need to be motivated to do something. There may well be people with the skills to do the job who are also willing to do it for free. There just aren't enough of them to fill all the jobs.
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Kira Cuddihy
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05-06-2008 09:43
Ahhhh poor Conan must be bored out of his skull, he is back to trolling again. Woops, heckling that is. It doesnt matter what you say to him, he will never change his mind. His heart is locked in a steel box, never to be found again. This thread has been dead for almost two months. He does make me laugh though, reading his words again because they always remain the same. Prove it, prove it, prove it. It's all about the dollar to him and not the heart. No I am not picking on you Sweetie, I love you. Maybe we could meet up in SL and go strolling instead of trolling. /me gets down on bended knee "will you marry me, baby", our life would be very interesting. giggles at him 
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ConductorX Nieuport
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05-06-2008 09:47
From: Colette Meiji The president of the American Red Cross earns well into the 6 figure range. I can tell you true stories about the red cross. I'll pass on giving them any money. "CX"
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Kira Cuddihy
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05-06-2008 09:51
From: ConductorX Nieuport I can tell you true stories about the red cross. I'll pass on giving them any money.
"CX" Yep, me too!!! I would rather give to the people in need instead of an organization. It's more important to give from the heart than the pocket book.
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Talarus Luan
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05-06-2008 10:32
From: Conan Godwin Provide this evidence. Also, provide evidence that a volunteer would be more competent. You certainly don't get skilled, experienced, competent people by not paying them well. Enron, Adelphia, Conseco, Tyco, Motorola, WorldCom, Rubbermaid, Wang Labs, Sony, Johnson & Johnson, the S&L bailout of the 80s, the mortgage bailout of this decade. The list goes on and on. That said, low-to-mid 6-figure incomes for executives aren't exactly a lot of money anymore, so the CEO of a large, successful, and efficient charity, where his salary is a tiny percentage of the overall revenue, and where the vast majority of the funding goes to the subject of the charity, I can't really complain about. However, that's not the case with some of the big charities. The United Way, for example, has been amidst mismanagement scandals off and on for a long time.
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Conan Godwin
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05-06-2008 10:40
From: Talarus Luan Enron, Adelphia, Conseco, Tyco, Motorola, WorldCom, Rubbermaid, Wang Labs, Sony, Johnson & Johnson, the S&L bailout of the 80s, the mortgage bailout of this decade. The list goes on and on.
That said, low-to-mid 6-figure incomes for executives aren't exactly a lot of money anymore, so the CEO of a large, successful, and efficient charity, where his salary is a tiny percentage of the overall revenue, and where the vast majority of the funding goes to the subject of the charity, I can't really complain about.
However, that's not the case with some of the big charities. The United Way, for example, has been amidst mismanagement scandals off and on for a long time. I assume you believe you could have done better then. Quite how you justify that belief is beyond me.
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Talarus Luan
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05-06-2008 11:09
From: Conan Godwin I assume you believe you could have done better then. Quite how you justify that belief is beyond me. Well, you would know more about assuming things not in evidence than I, pal. Don't project your own inadequacies on me, though. 
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Colette Meiji
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05-06-2008 13:07
From: Conan Godwin Provide this evidence. Also, provide evidence that a volunteer would be more competent. You certainly don't get skilled, experienced, competent people by not paying them well. I didn't say volunteer. I didn't even say someone who wasn't fairly well paid. I said someone who isn't being paid like a CEO of a major corporation. There is a huge difference in there.
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Conan Godwin
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05-06-2008 13:10
From: Colette Meiji I didn't say volunteer. I didn't even say someone who wasn't fairly well paid. I said someone who isn't being paid like a CEO of a major corporation.
There is a huge difference in there. I'm not sure where you'd find someone with the experience of CEO of a major corporation who didn't want the salary of a CEO of a major coporation. I daresay you know best though.
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Colette Meiji
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05-06-2008 13:14
From: Conan Godwin I assume you believe you could have done better then. Quite how you justify that belief is beyond me. Its quite possible Talarus could have. Particularly in the cases where the companies were involved in illegal activities. Corporations have life cycles just like anything else. Much of being a "Superior Executive Manager" is just being at the right place at the right time. I do not know how many Corporations you have worked for, but some level incompetence in management is simply a given.
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Colette Meiji
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05-06-2008 13:15
From: Conan Godwin I'm not sure where you'd find someone with the experience of CEO of a major corporation who didn't want the salary of a CEO of a major coporation. I daresay you know best though. I think you overvalue the worth of a CEO. And I did not say they should be looking for one. Just that they seem to be looking for one.
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Dagmar Heideman
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05-06-2008 14:32
Omg what a surprise! The thread has gotten derailed onto a tangent! While it is true that paying to scale does not guarantee that you will get quality management, paying underscale will almost always guarantee that you will get underqualified management. A six figure salary is actually fairly standard for a CEO of a large non-profit like the American Red Cross but half a million dollars with a 65k signing bonus for an organization that has a 200 million dollar operating deficit does give pause for some concern. On the other hand Ms. McGovern does seem to have a proven track record for being able to spearhead fundraising efforts for billions of dollars and that is certainly something the organization sorely needs at the moment.
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Trout Recreant
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05-06-2008 15:55
From: Conan Godwin I assume you believe you could have done better then. Quite how you justify that belief is beyond me. I wouldn't even think of asking you to assume that in my case. I absolutely and without qualification believe I could have done better. I guarantee it. I wish there were a way to prove it, because I'd be glad to do so. I also wouldn't accept a position like CEO in a charity unless I was receiving pay comeasurate with the position in private industry. If that makes me a bad person in some people's eyes, then so be it, but i wouldn't take on that sort of labor and liability unless the reward made it worth doing so. If I want to give to charity, I will do so out of my funds (and I do, BTW). But I won't do it by devaluing my career.
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Conan Godwin
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05-06-2008 15:56
This forum is an example of exactly what happens when people are left to their own devices with no proper leadership.
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Argos Hawks
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05-06-2008 16:58
Today on MSNBC.com, I read about the cyclone in Myanmar (20,000 dead, 40,000 missing), evacuations from a volcano in Chile, poisonous sulfuric gas from a volcano in Hawaii, and an unusual string of earthquakes in Reno that could be signalling something big. I have no doubt that the head of the Red Cross will be earning their money. I wouldn't want to deal with all that for twice the price.
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