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11-15-2009 01:22

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Tiffy Vella

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11-15-2009 03:35

From: Deira Llanfair

That may be part of the probem as the 5% charge on XStreet sales may not cover the full cost of hosting the site - but yes it is an attempt to get more money from the customers and, of course, this will be carried on down the line. Increase costs lead to increased prices.

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Phil Deakins

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11-15-2009 04:21

From: Brenda Connolly

I shuld probably be spanked for starting this thread

You should probably be spanked regardless of this thread.

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Argent Stonecutter

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11-15-2009 04:42

From: Kidd Krasner

Then maybe LL should stop trying to treat them as businesses. If they're going to price things on the presumption that most SL merchants are making a real profit, and that's wrong, then they can't succeed.

LL knows exactly how many (or few) individual people are making "real money" in the game, they shouldn't be making *any* kind of assumptions. They don't *have to* make assumptions.

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Raudf Fox

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11-15-2009 06:58

My problem with most of the concept they had on there was that it was geared to much bigger businesses than mine. But, as usual, it just proved to me that LL doesn't care much about the little guys. Though... maybe they do, because they sent me the survey.

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Anya Ristow

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11-15-2009 08:30

From: Raudf Fox

LL doesn't care much about the little guys. Though... maybe they do, because they sent me the survey.

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Zena Juran

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11-15-2009 08:35

From: Raudf Fox

My problem with most of the concept they had on there was that it was geared to much bigger businesses than mine. But, as usual, it just proved to me that LL doesn't care much about the little guys. Though... maybe they do, because they sent me the survey.

This is proally the first time I haven't received a survey from LL.

BUT...

I feel that LL is in the process of targeting the smaller business for extinction so the larger businesses can become more profitable and be able to jump onto LLs concept bandwagon with increased percentages going to LL coffers.

LL is just streamlining the grid for maximum profitability.

ElQ Homewood

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Join date: 25 Apr 2007

Posts: 280

11-15-2009 09:50

From: Deira Llanfair

That may be part of the probem as the 5% charge on XStreet sales may not cover the full cost of hosting the site

If this is so, then they can increase the charge to sell on XStreet. I don't feel compelled to pay for the hosting of XStreet when I already have to pay for the hosting of my own sites.

Deira Llanfair

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11-15-2009 09:51

From: Brenda Connolly

/me tacklehugs Amara

See what I mean!

Why do all the other girls have all the fun. *sulks*.

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Brenda Connolly

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11-15-2009 09:57

From: Deira Llanfair

See what I mean!

Why do all the other girls have all the fun. *sulks*.

Get your nose out of Poser once in a while then....

/me tacklehugs you too.

Czari Zenovka

I've Had it With "PC"!

Join date: 3 May 2007

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11-15-2009 12:01

From: Phil Deakins

...The buying of XSL was the thin end of a very large wedge...

And then there was the "buy-out" or "I'll-make-you-an-offer-you-can't-refuse" to OnRez, successfully cutting out competition.

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Czari Zenovka

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11-15-2009 12:08

From: Ravanne Sullivan

This sounds disturbingly like the "Public Option" in "Universal Healthcare".

Yanno, that was one of my first thoughts, especially when one of the previous posters said (paraphrased from memory) more tightly control the SL economy.

But, I didn't want to post that and create a political hailstorm...nope, not me.

ETA: Ah, dangit! Brenda and Amar beat me to it. (Can I get in on the tacklehugs anyway?)

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Czari Zenovka

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11-15-2009 12:21

From: Argent Stonecutter

Most "businesses" in SL are hobbies. It's hobbyists that created most of the content that people are paying real money for. The ones who are making real money are a fraction of a percent.

QFT!

I have a tiny business and I keep my overhead exceptionally low. However, once my business/hobby began making lindens, I no longer purchased lindens to buy items in world, will no longer do so, and use my hobby profits as my in-world "salary." Therefore, if LL's plan deters otherwise customers from my shop and I make fewer sales, it is less I purchase in SL, including land.

By myself, this means nothing to LL, but add thousands of other small business owners/hobbyists doing the same and it starts to add up for LL.

Or maybe not. At any rate, I have everything I "need" in SL at this point so if this all gets to be a major hassle for my hobby, I'll just shut it down, not purchase anything else and go dancing.

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Kia Greyskin

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Join date: 15 Mar 2006

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I think it stinks

11-15-2009 12:25

Doesn't LL get enough of our money already? Pink is shooting herself in foot with this one. Many will leave SL if this happens. I haven't received the survey yet, from the sounds of it it's LAUGHABLE! and quite frankly the top 10 merchants are overpriced and doesn't suit my tastes. I wouldn't support them. This is rediculous especially with so much new talent coming in everyday that blows away the top 10 lol. Keep dreaming LL lol

Tiziana Catteneo

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Join date: 19 Feb 2007

Posts: 187

11-16-2009 10:15

From: TundraFire Nightfire

Gotta make up for all the lost tier these days somehow.

More cake, not pie!

That's the problem, lost tier less money so it's time to get money elsewhere. I have to pay 20% vatted tier plus 15% for every sales + 40% taxes with an U$ dollar worth half an euro and a world full of opencopybot clients.

Really I have something better to do than loosing my time playing SL

Lindal Kidd

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Join date: 26 Jun 2007

Posts: 8,371

11-16-2009 12:51

From: Czari Zenovka

... Ah, dangit! Brenda and Amar beat me to it. (Can I get in on the tacklehugs anyway?)

Tacklehugs you!

(Look...shoulder pads!)

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Allegria Kanto

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Join date: 28 Nov 2007

Posts: 1,004

11-16-2009 13:39

I've gotten the survey three times, and I've never offered anything for sale in SL!

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Lindal Kidd

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Join date: 26 Jun 2007

Posts: 8,371

11-16-2009 13:42

I didn't get one, even though I DO sell (a very few) things. If you get it again, Allie, would you answer NO for me please? Thanks.

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Brenda Connolly

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Join date: 10 Jan 2007

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11-16-2009 15:41

From: Allegria Kanto

I've gotten the survey three times, and I've never offered anything for sale in SL!

Linden Logic. (tm)

Phil Deakins

Prim Savers = low prims

Join date: 17 Jan 2007

Posts: 9,537

11-16-2009 15:57

I've never had a survey - ever - and I've been selling stuff from a large store for the best part fo 2 years.

From: Brenda Connolly

Linden Logic. (tm)

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Ciaran Laval

Mostly Harmless

Join date: 11 Mar 2007

Posts: 7,951

11-16-2009 16:37

From: Phil Deakins

I've been selling stuff from a large store for the best part fo 2 years.

You've been reading too much Jumpy!

Brenda Connolly

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Join date: 10 Jan 2007

Posts: 25,000

11-16-2009 19:11

From: Phil Deakins

I've never had a survey - ever - and I've been selling stuff from a large store for the best part fo 2 years.

Your bots are intercepting your email.

Mickey Vandeverre

See you Inworld

Join date: 7 Dec 2006

Posts: 2,542

11-16-2009 21:14

From: Brenda Connolly

I shuld probably be spanked for starting this
thread

Your punishment should be reading the 2 blogothingy threads about the survey, and reporting back with a synopsis. 5000 words or less, please.

SL Merchants Survey
Amaranthim Talon Voyager, Seeker, Curious Join date: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 12,032	11-15-2009 01:22 /me loves Sis... though shd be sleeping..... _____________________ "Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again. " Robert A. Heinlein http://talonfaire.blogspot.com/ Visit Talon Faire Main: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Misto%20Presto/216/21/155- Main Store XStreets: http://tinyurl.com/6r7ayn
Tiffy Vella Registered User Join date: 3 Apr 2007 Posts: 379	11-15-2009 03:35 From: Deira Llanfair That may be part of the probem as the 5% charge on XStreet sales may not cover the full cost of hosting the site - but yes it is an attempt to get more money from the customers and, of course, this will be carried on down the line. Increase costs lead to increased prices. 15% _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sinaburoe/183/10/247
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	11-15-2009 04:21 From: Brenda Connolly I shuld probably be spanked for starting this thread You should probably be spanked regardless of this thread. _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	11-15-2009 04:42 From: Kidd Krasner Then maybe LL should stop trying to treat them as businesses. If they're going to price things on the presumption that most SL merchants are making a real profit, and that's wrong, then they can't succeed. LL knows exactly how many (or few) individual people are making "real money" in the game, they shouldn't be making any kind of assumptions. They don't have to make assumptions. _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	11-15-2009 06:58 My problem with most of the concept they had on there was that it was geared to much bigger businesses than mine. But, as usual, it just proved to me that LL doesn't care much about the little guys. Though... maybe they do, because they sent me the survey. _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Anya Ristow Vengeance Studio Join date: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,243	11-15-2009 08:30 From: Raudf Fox LL doesn't care much about the little guys. Though... maybe they do, because they sent me the survey. Your opinion is important to us. Please tell us how we are doing in the box below. [] _____________________ The Vengeance Studio Gadget Store is closed!
Zena Juran Registered User Join date: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 473	11-15-2009 08:35 From: Raudf Fox My problem with most of the concept they had on there was that it was geared to much bigger businesses than mine. But, as usual, it just proved to me that LL doesn't care much about the little guys. Though... maybe they do, because they sent me the survey. This is proally the first time I haven't received a survey from LL. BUT... I feel that LL is in the process of targeting the smaller business for extinction so the larger businesses can become more profitable and be able to jump onto LLs concept bandwagon with increased percentages going to LL coffers. LL is just streamlining the grid for maximum profitability.
ElQ Homewood Sleeps Professionally Join date: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 280	11-15-2009 09:50 From: Deira Llanfair That may be part of the probem as the 5% charge on XStreet sales may not cover the full cost of hosting the site If this is so, then they can increase the charge to sell on XStreet. I don't feel compelled to pay for the hosting of XStreet when I already have to pay for the hosting of my own sites.
Deira Llanfair Deira to rhyme with Myra Join date: 16 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,315	11-15-2009 09:51 From: Brenda Connolly /me tacklehugs Amara See what I mean! Why do all the other girls have all the fun. sulks. _____________________ Deira Must create animations for head-desk and palm-face!.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	11-15-2009 09:57 From: Deira Llanfair See what I mean! Why do all the other girls have all the fun. sulks. Get your nose out of Poser once in a while then.... /me tacklehugs you too.
Czari Zenovka I've Had it With "PC"! Join date: 3 May 2007 Posts: 3,688	11-15-2009 12:01 From: Phil Deakins ...The buying of XSL was the thin end of a very large wedge... And then there was the "buy-out" or "I'll-make-you-an-offer-you-can't-refuse" to OnRez, successfully cutting out competition. _____________________ Czari's Attic ~ Relive the fun of exploring an attic for hidden treasures! http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rakhiot/82/99/111 During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.- George Orwell
Czari Zenovka I've Had it With "PC"! Join date: 3 May 2007 Posts: 3,688	11-15-2009 12:08 From: Ravanne Sullivan This sounds disturbingly like the "Public Option" in "Universal Healthcare". Yanno, that was one of my first thoughts, especially when one of the previous posters said (paraphrased from memory) more tightly control the SL economy. But, I didn't want to post that and create a political hailstorm...nope, not me. ETA: Ah, dangit! Brenda and Amar beat me to it. (Can I get in on the tacklehugs anyway?) _____________________ Czari's Attic ~ Relive the fun of exploring an attic for hidden treasures! http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rakhiot/82/99/111 During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.- George Orwell
Czari Zenovka I've Had it With "PC"! Join date: 3 May 2007 Posts: 3,688	11-15-2009 12:21 From: Argent Stonecutter Most "businesses" in SL are hobbies. It's hobbyists that created most of the content that people are paying real money for. The ones who are making real money are a fraction of a percent. QFT! I have a tiny business and I keep my overhead exceptionally low. However, once my business/hobby began making lindens, I no longer purchased lindens to buy items in world, will no longer do so, and use my hobby profits as my in-world "salary." Therefore, if LL's plan deters otherwise customers from my shop and I make fewer sales, it is less I purchase in SL, including land. By myself, this means nothing to LL, but add thousands of other small business owners/hobbyists doing the same and it starts to add up for LL. Or maybe not. At any rate, I have everything I "need" in SL at this point so if this all gets to be a major hassle for my hobby, I'll just shut it down, not purchase anything else and go dancing. _____________________ Czari's Attic ~ Relive the fun of exploring an attic for hidden treasures! http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rakhiot/82/99/111 During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.- George Orwell
Kia Greyskin Registered User Join date: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 7	I think it stinks 11-15-2009 12:25 Doesn't LL get enough of our money already? Pink is shooting herself in foot with this one. Many will leave SL if this happens. I haven't received the survey yet, from the sounds of it it's LAUGHABLE! and quite frankly the top 10 merchants are overpriced and doesn't suit my tastes. I wouldn't support them. This is rediculous especially with so much new talent coming in everyday that blows away the top 10 lol. Keep dreaming LL lol
Tiziana Catteneo Registered User Join date: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 187	11-16-2009 10:15 From: TundraFire Nightfire Gotta make up for all the lost tier these days somehow. More cake, not pie! That's the problem, lost tier less money so it's time to get money elsewhere. I have to pay 20% vatted tier plus 15% for every sales + 40% taxes with an U$ dollar worth half an euro and a world full of opencopybot clients. Really I have something better to do than loosing my time playing SL
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	11-16-2009 12:51 From: Czari Zenovka ... Ah, dangit! Brenda and Amar beat me to it. (Can I get in on the tacklehugs anyway?) Tacklehugs you! (Look...shoulder pads!) _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Allegria Kanto Trailing clouds of glory Join date: 28 Nov 2007 Posts: 1,004	11-16-2009 13:39 I've gotten the survey three times, and I've never offered anything for sale in SL! _____________________ Let us pray that we ourselves cease to be the cause of suffering to each other. -- Thich Nhat Hahn
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	11-16-2009 13:42 I didn't get one, even though I DO sell (a very few) things. If you get it again, Allie, would you answer NO for me please? Thanks. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	11-16-2009 15:41 From: Allegria Kanto I've gotten the survey three times, and I've never offered anything for sale in SL! Linden Logic. (tm)
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	11-16-2009 15:57 I've never had a survey - ever - and I've been selling stuff from a large store for the best part fo 2 years. From: Brenda Connolly Linden Logic. (tm) _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Ciaran Laval Mostly Harmless Join date: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 7,951	11-16-2009 16:37 From: Phil Deakins I've been selling stuff from a large store for the best part fo 2 years. You've been reading too much Jumpy!
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	11-16-2009 19:11 From: Phil Deakins I've never had a survey - ever - and I've been selling stuff from a large store for the best part fo 2 years. Your bots are intercepting your email.
Mickey Vandeverre See you Inworld Join date: 7 Dec 2006 Posts: 2,542	11-16-2009 21:14 From: Brenda Connolly I shuld probably be spanked for starting this thread Your punishment should be reading the 2 blogothingy threads about the survey, and reporting back with a synopsis. 5000 words or less, please.

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